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Greetings. Hello, hello. How does that feel when I say greetings? I was just about to say, get that greeting out of your mouth, Lauren. I'm so sorry, I should say good evening. Much better. As again, I have been watching The Crown, so I should adopt my preferred English accent. Well, what episode are you on? Good evening. Season three, Episode five? OK, so I do. Did you see the episode about the mining town? Yes, that one was like one of my favorites and like the saddest way. Very, very good. I will say season three on the whole has been a disappointment. Right? I think I was very attached to Claire Foy. Mm-Hmm. And I think that it's just difficult. Like it's just not I'm not as attached to the cast anymore. I mean, yeah, it's really hard to switch casts. I think also the politics are not as exciting. I hate to say the storylines are pretty boring and nothing compares to Margaret. It's romance. Margaret's romance is her dalliances as a young woman are just incredible to watch the scene where they take off on the motorcycle and Vivaldi's Four Seasons plays. I've been listening to not to sound totally snobbish, but here I go. I've been listening to for like that portion of four seasons all week long. And like every time I'm listening to it, it has this like momentous feeling to it. And like, I might just be like picking things out of my rug or, you know, just doing menial house chores. But like the minute that that song comes on my shuffle, like what I'm doing feels momentous and super important and critical to my development and like, Wow, this is a part of me. Being a person in the world right now is like, you know, me wiping off the counters with dish soap. It's amazing how any sort of a classical soundtrack just gives such gravitas to any of the most mundane of scenes. Instantly, instantly gives you instantly. Absolutely. Highly recommend. Well, I will say, even though the crown for me is going a little bit downhill, I am fully, fully diving headfirst into a royal obsession. Really? OK? Very much so. Also like more so than you were before. Correct. I watched a documentary about Prince Diana last night before Oh, I am halfway through finding freedom. Are you going to return finding freedom to Amazon after this? Absolutely. No, I will not. I will not. I also bought the biography about Diana Diana in her own words. OK. OK. Yep. That were based on the interviews she did. What's interesting about finding freedom is that the authors have access to Meghan and Harry, which I didn't realize that it's basically an authorized biography. Not officially, but it is. Finding freedom is yes, right? And but that's similar to Diana in her own words. So she did all these recordings or voice interviews that were recorded so that a biography could be written about her that told the truthful account and that was published while she was still alive. So I didn't realize the royals actually did work with biographers and authors to publish books, right? Although they never go on the record and say they're approved. So anyway, I'm learning all sorts of tidbits. So then it's like you got to take it with a grain of salt because they've been able to. You know, make sure it's, you know, according to their narrative, if you will, oh my gosh. Well, definitely there's a part of you that has to know that this is very much a sugarcoated, it's very much their side of the story. Yeah. And from that end, it's ridiculous Chandler and learnings for Alaska to key learnings in a second. But they talk about Meghan Markle like she is. I don't want to say the second coming and be sacrilegious, but like she is the best thing that has ever happened to planet Earth in female form. It is astonishing, right? Like every description about her is like she is a goddess and she is this perfect person who before any event with study for hours so she would be prepared and how she was just as a child. She was so deeply grateful for the fact that her parents sacrifices entered a private school that she took her schooling so much worse right than other kids. Every detail about her life is so incredibly syrupy, ridiculous, like even to they, he describes her breakfast and how Harry had to acclimate to what a healthy eater she is. Oh, do you want to guess what the first thing she she consumes upon waking up like a half a grapefruit? Now this is the classic beverage of all of every annoying woman celery juice. Nope. Even worse, hot water in f**king knew it. Hot. What? Hot water? It's lemon. If you tell me the first thing you drink in the morning is hot water with lemon. All I know is that you might have hot water in lemon and you, but you're really full of s**t. Oh, because one hundred percent who actually drinks that if someone tells me they drink first thing in the morning hot water with lemon, I'm going to tell them to get a job because anyone with a real job or a real hard job does not wake up in the morning to then, you know, rush off to their kettle to then spritz a half a wedge into a brimming mug. It's like, no, you get coffee. You get that caffeine in your bloodstream so that you can roll out of bed for your nine o'clock meeting and look semi human. Yes, we all wish that adulthood meant waking up, hearing the sounds of the birds awakening, lifting your eyelids, seeing an orchard in front of you outside the window, watching the dew that doing this on the leaves as you sip hot water with lemon. That is not reality. No, it is stumbling to the espresso machine, sipping it in and drinking in the dark abyss that is being alive in the world, right? Exactly. And just trying to steal yourself against all the crap. You have to do that. It's literally it's the 08:52. Like I've been having standing 9am meetings for a project that I'm on and it's like, I get my coffee about about 8:52. And then by about 8:54, I'm feeling semi human. Hmm. And then it's literally just the bleary eyed fumbling to your computer trying to not sound groggy as you. Yeah, just brace yourself for another day. For me, it's like, I can't even imagine drinking hot water with lemon and then feeling like, OK, I'm going to drink this hot water with lemon. And then what? SIP it and then know this experience is over. Like, how do you get through the first ten minutes of your day? Absolutely not. I also don't understand hot water with lemon in the sense that hot water takes so long to become hot water like I need coffee or a beverage instantly, instantly. And you know, the a*****es that say they drink hot water with lemon, they wouldn't use a microwave. So it's, of course, kettle. It's a kettle. And I'm like, That takes like that takes like seven or eight minutes. OK, and then the water's too hot. It's exhausted your tongue. Exactly. And then it's it's hot and acidic, so you have to wait until it cools back down again. You're not getting coffee until at least an hour into your day, and that is just not an existence I'm interested in. It's also just not realistic. No one does it because also spoiler alert hot water lemon tastes like hell does not taste good. It's like something I would rinse my hands in. I remember every time I was reading an article about a celebrity and like what they ate in a day, it was, Oh, it's always hallmarks of lemon the first thing. And yeah, it's just it's it's an indication that you're about to read a bunch of lies. Yeah, whatever the truth, if you will, whatever. Oh, this is so funny. I think I've already told the story about on the podcast, but I just remember one time I don't know if I did or not. So I remember one time a friend of mine. He introduced me to a girl who model for Victoria's Secret and she was doing cocaine. And right as one, those when you're building a secret model. Yeah. Well, we were together. We were together for probably about 12 hours. And anyway, there was an article in vogue about her diet and basically how she stayed slim or whatever. And she was just like, I love kale. I love my kale garden. I drink water of lemon. It's just all B.S.. It's all B.S. You smoke cigarettes, you do cocaine. That's how you get like the Victoria's Secret, Kate Moss body were the. Areas in the coal mines here to tell you the truth. And it's just it's so annoying that they peddle this to regular folk like us as like some sort of lifestyle that we can have. We can't have it. If someone were to deliver hot water with lemon to my bedside every morning at the perfect temperature, I'd like a kid's hot water temperature. Fine. I could do that. But I I sure I'd chuck it down on the way to the espresso machine. See? Easy, but otherwise. Hell no. Missed a chance. Miss me with that bulls**t. OK, do you want to hear some items? I am learning Chandler. Yes, I would like to hear more. Some more key takeaways. OK, then I would like to promptly tear them apart. OK, so Meghan Markle, did you know what her first acting eyeglass was? She like a team? Like, does she do something, the prideaux dealer? No, because of course, she valued her parents advice. Oh, she was so earnestly. She got a college education. She was too busy being grateful to take any acting jobs. Exactly. No, I'm sorry, but the coverage of her is ridiculous. I'm sure she's a really wonderful, nice person, but no one is that much of a saint. No one even drinks how I with lemon. Who are we kidding? I didn't start to feel grateful for my braces until two years ago. Like up until I was twenty three. I was just like, I can't believe you guys put me in braces. That's literally so rude. And then you turn 20. You get to your 20s. You're like, Oh, that was actually like four grand. Thanks. Oh, this is what they said in college. She, like, was in theater. She was a double major. She worked two jobs and there was like friends would constantly approach her and say, I have no idea how you do it, Meg. And she would constantly say, like, my parents worked so hard and I'm just so grateful to be here. Like, it's ridiculous. It doesn't actually sound like her parents are paying for it if she has to work two jobs just to point that out. Yeah, I mean, it's all shady, but OK. So her first acting job was an extra and a Tori Amos music video. Oh, OK. OK. Not interesting. That is interesting. But song? I don't love Tori Amos. I love Tori. I was definitely a Tori Amos kind of teenager. We should tell you everything you need to know. I'm surprised you're still listening to this podcast. After learning that fact, she starred in that. I'm not sure the song it was seemed like a kind of a one upbeat track, for sure, but then a Tostitos commercial was her next big hit. Wow. I know. Well, it sounds like more of a moneymaker than the Tori Amos music video. Absolutely. Well, you know, it's funny. I was think recently thinking about your childhood and or mainly your teenage angsty years with music. And I always think about the song torn like that song. Torn feels like the perfect encapsulation of like all the angst that you have, like bathroom floors like crying, lying naked on the bathroom floor. Yes, literally absolutely that. That's how I spent this all this decade in my life. Yeah, I did share that bathroom with you. I did share that bathroom with you. And it was pretty inconvenient. Not going to lie. Yes. Apologies. I'm a little. Hey. I think that song single handedly got a generation through every breakup. Oh, definitely. Generation of young women through every breakup. A generation, truly. Oh, well, anyway. Also interesting. She really doesn't have any acting credits of note other than suits, right? Which was like just a sitcom beloved. But just, you know? Yeah, just like a cable television show, right? She was. She was good. She was, you know, it wasn't the crown or succession. I dare say, I dare say, which is just interesting because, you know, she's come a long way to her mansion in Montecito. She wasn't like this like A-lister, in my opinion. Chandler also, did you know that Harry and Meghan's favorite movies? You know what their favorite filmmaker is? I don't know somebody. Everybody likes Disney. Oh my gosh. Apparently, this is when they were first dating. Tucked away in the Kensington Palace in his apartment, they watched Moana The Little Mermaid. No. Yes. Yes. And The Lion King. Prince Harry's personal favorite that is this. This is not a joke that did not happen, but did not happen. I want everyone to know that this is a lie. No, no lie. They have given interviews and talked about it like, this is not a lie. So it is the most ridiculous fact of all time. They're actually kind of cringe. Oh, I think must be super cringe. That's crazy, because he has so much beauty for it, for me that it's just shocking that he comes with the side of cringe. I mean, he's extremely romantic from the stuff I've read in this book. He's extremely romantic, buys her gifts all the time. Like she says, she likes a piece of jewelry. Suddenly, he's surprising her with it, like he's like extremely like he does better than William, giving Kate the set of binoculars. Apparently, yes. You know, Meghan might never be queen, but she gets much better gifts than Kate. Disney stuff is a deal breaker for me, like, honestly, if a guy oh, stop, stop, stop, I'm going to stop in your tracks right there, really. I'm pretty sure that you would avidly watch. OK? And Snow White again with Prince Harry on your arm. It's so gross. It's like we're living in a fairy tale that we have a real life fairy tale. I'm throwing up. And actually, if I was dating someone who was royalty and who like Disney movies, that would be like so gross and metta, I actually feel sick thinking about how he can relate to it because he's like and all the other movies they don't live in. Castles like we do just instantly becomes like seven. These people just like us making their homes look like our homes. Their grannies rule the kingdom. Oh, that's just wild, because, you know, she's always been portrayed as this like wild girl. Like he's a wild party boy. Like, really? I just I don't. I don't. I think this is a lie perpetrated by the far right. Well, that's the far right. The book glosses over his moments of having schoolboy rebellions. Like, You're telling me that Prince Harry hasn't done coke a million times? Oh, I don't know. I don't know. Like, I just he seems like a total like clubby, c**ky guy who's like, reform to like, love this woman. But like, I don't think he watches Disney movies. I mean, what I think is very, very interesting is the King Edward. The eighth abdicated the throne and then King George. The sixth became the next king, right? And King Edward, the eighth. He was extremely like, passionate and like, just like he, he abdicated because he wanted to marry a socialite in the U.S., Wallis Simpson, who was just like this glittering personality. And he he gave up the the throne to marry Wallis Simpson, who he loved till the end of his life. They have like a beautiful love story, so he gave up his whole family. You can never go back and live in the UK again. He was completely ostracized. He wasn't even invited to Queen Elizabeth's wedding or her coronation. He gave everything for Wallis Simpson. So but he was like the very passionate romantic brother. Then King George, the six, his younger brother. He takes the throne. He is very lives, a very duty-bound life, and his daughter, Queen Elizabeth, the second she takes the throne, is obviously like such a responsible, duty driven person. Her sister, Princess Margaret, is extremely romantic passion and passion fueled. And then you look at Prince Harry and William and Prince William, and it's the same thing. Like one is so incredibly duty bound irresponsible and the other is like completely wild. So it makes you wonder like, well, obviously with King Edward that he was in line to become the king, but he still didn't care. But like you know, William, William and Elizabeth both grew up well. I guess Elizabeth didn't know she was going to be queen because her father died unexpectedly, right? She knew she was heir apparent when he was king, but she thought she had like 20 or 30 more. Right, right. Yeah, yeah, he got sick. But William has always known that he was going to be king. Correct? Correct. And that's and that manifested, like very different ways that they were raised. Like, apparently, Prince William would go in for private lessons with the queen from a very young age. Right. And the mental responsibility was put upon him basically from the moment he was born, whereas Prince Harry has always kind of been like a little bit like the people like Prince Harry. They are. I don't know about people like Prince Harry, but if you don't have like a specific role, but you're supposed to be a senior member of the royal family, it's kind of like the worst of both worlds because you don't have any freedom to make a life of your own. No, and to really live your own identity. But then you also don't have any real true responsibilities. You have, like no purpose, basically, right? Yeah, yeah. And but then you also just like kind of get out like none of the pressure and all the perks. You could also look at it like that. Totally, totally. And I definitely think that you can't understate the amount of, OK, I go back and forth a lot because I just do think that it would be really hard to feel like you had no freedom within your own life. And also, Buckingham Palace looks were really dreary. It looks really, very almost like, I don't think it's like a that updated think it's got to be kind of like old and musty. I'm not going to lie my thoughts exactly like, I wouldn't want to live there. I feel bad for them because they have to probably keep it that way for historical significance or I like. I get like a gorgeous marble kitchen now, Buckingham Palace, and it's like a fresh shut us sheets from parachute, all new furniture from, like, you know, West Elm or CB2. I mean, I would say it needs to be. I would say, let's let's go beyond West Elm and see V2 for Buckingham Palace. And but it needs a complete redesign and keep it to is the nicest furniture brand that I know of. And my my poor sphere. But. I would like to see them living actual, lavish modern lives, not living my kind of more sad, antiquated environments. Yeah, I mean, some of it's gorgeous and ornate, but OK, this is my real question. Yeah. Let's just say we didn't have four other siblings. It was just the two of us. OK? Who do you think is more the Harry and his brother, William are the two of us. You all recently asked me who was more Margaret, who was more Elizabeth, and then I can see that that we were both Margaret. Yeah, that was a nice concession. You know the truth? Here's the thing unfortunately for you, I have the best sides of both. Oh, really? Yeah, because I, while I'm extremely passionate romantic, I am also extremely down to logical. I'm extremely duty driven and duty bound, and I understand the serious daily battle of the sound of I understand what the mantle of history on your shoulders feels. What particular way I mean, I just am would be ready to rise to the occasion, and I would understand the importance of the girl who whose integrity goes about as far as returning and books back to Amazon after she's read them. I OK. Well, why not? Why you insist on bringing up the past, but it's that kind of immaturity that would not lend itself well to the throne. Wow. OK, so what do you what do you think? Oh, I like know I'm a Margaret and I'm a Harry, I just like, I don't care. I do. So do you think that you would abdicate the throne? Hundred percent, I would have to hit the throne. Thank you for asking. I'm uptight, but that doesn't necessarily mean that I'm duty bound. So I'm just like uptight and like a whole other fun way. So the worst of all worlds, really? Exactly. You're uptight. Also, don't tell. I don't care enough to carry on like the mantle of history. Like, I just would like to be able to party all the time. Oh, that's disturbing. Well, at least I'm honest. At least you're honest with yourself. That's true. Speaking of homes that are so shockingly not updated, so we talk about Paris Hilton's house and also the Paris Hilton documentary. Yes, Lauren, I'm ready to discuss it because there was so much to take in. I don't know where to start. Here's where I will start. I feel like it is always astonishing to me how many extremely wealthy people live in very dated homes. Fear for pure lack of will to update them. They I mean, money's not an issue. My pet peeve is seeing super wealthy people use their money to buy terrible furniture and leave their houses to basically look like, you know, 2000 to attract homes. Paris Hilton's house reminded me a lot of Britney Spears interiors. Yes, totally super dated tons of like black carpet. Like what? Who has black carpet? Lots of lots of light oak. Uh-Huh. I don't even have like a beautiful sand, OK? It was just more like like yellow, yellow, yellow oak. That was like the same banister. Nick Lachey and Jessica Simpson totally totally. In 2004. Oh, I mean, her room. Her room looks like it was done in a HomeGoods Paris section, like where you just get everything that's possibly Paris themed from Marshalls and HomeGoods. Her house seemed like it was built, or at least her decor in the way she functions within her space seems to avoid natural light at all costs, no matter what. There will not be like a beautiful big window. There was an array of natural light no home. It's just glass and mirrors and black carpet. Yeah, and bedazzled surfaces. It's so bad. And so moving on from her truly depressing house and its lack of style and updated design and look just anything she could have had an updated bedspread, just like anything besides the black carpet. Anyways, moving on from all that to her outfits throughout the entire documentary, there was not one outfit that I saw on her that I was like, Oh, I would like that. I want a piece of that. Like, I do not understand the way she dresses. I think that Paris Hilton is very much clearly in her own world, almost in the same way Michael Jackson became. And in his own world. Yeah, like, they're completely removed from anything modern somehow. And now it's like, and they are just they're caricatures in their own environments. Like, like she's permanently wearing like bootcut yoga pants. Like, when's the last time any of you all wore bootcut leocha pants? She's still in Juicy Couture sweatsuits, she admitted. She just likes to be in her sweatsuits, but it's not even good. Funny, cute, ironic matching sets. It's black bootcut, hard tail, terry class terry cloth. And it's really the bootcut sweat pants that did me in. And then it's a hoodie, and then it's a fingerless gloves. I don't understand it. Everything about it is beguiling, but it made for, I would say, actually a very enjoyable hour and 40 minutes. You try lowly slowly. Yes, you tell me you move slowly. But I actually enjoyed every second. OK, I would like to just fully call you out on the being a lie because you called me during it and you said, Did you watch the whole thing? And I said, yes, and then you said, it's just moving really slow. No, that's not true. I called you when I saw how long it was I was. I watched it yet and I called you and you said it moves really slow, but you'll like it. Or you said it was always sore, but you have to get through it. I watch the whole thing. I actually I had a similar moment with my two friends who I watched with last night, Tara and Julie. We were got like twenty five minutes in and we hit the remote and then we saw that there was like another hour and 15 and we were all like, Oh, OK, this one really does go on channel. 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Just watching her be a deejay, watching her like move throughout her various invites total. It was very interesting to me. Yeah, I really enjoyed the stuff with her mom about, like her grandfather, and I didn't know any of that truly. I thought the stuff with our sister was interesting. I think her sister, I don't know her sister is not my cup of tea. I'm going to be honest. Her sister married a Rothschild and is just killing it. Nicky, I think, is very beautiful and I really like Nicky. Really, really like Nicky. I really like Nicky. I don't know. She just seemed to be very hard on Paris, which I think she had. She admitted to being hard on Paris. It's just there's something about her that just does not sit right with me. I disagree. She seemed like a very centered realist and calling Paris on everything saying she was addicted to, Oh, that part was good. OK, so for those who haven't watched, I'm just going to give a quick overview of what the documentary covers. I won't give anything away, actually, I'm going to give everything away. So spoiler alert, we're going to talk about everything that happens in the documentary if you don't want to hear about it. Scrub through. I think it's safe to say that Efron knows what happens in the documentary. I don't really know what the specific trauma is. Well, maybe they do, but I didn't know about it. I was like, What? What's this trauma going to be? Spoilers to come, people. Spoilers to come. OK. Basically, we we go through her current existence and she starts to unpack why she is the way she is and why she has so many issues, and to characterize what her persona is or why she is the way she is. Yeah, go ahead. Well, it just seems that she seems to have a real issue with intimacy or connecting with people. I think she's had many abusive relationships. Yeah, like she's just very troubled and she's a a workaholic, obsessed with working, never stops working, obsessed with making a billion dollars. She literally said, I want to make a billion dollars. She seems to be at all times wanting to distract herself from reality or wanting to to to be distracted. She never wants to go on a vacation. She never wants to relax. She always just wants to be very busy and making money. So that's kind of sum it up. Oh, and also she has this whole persona that is like this very high pitched voice kind of Don Valley Girl, and it's this persona that she can't seem to let go of and disassociate from, and she falls back into constantly. Well, I think so. My yeah, all that's correct. I feel like Paris Hilton only enjoys or is constantly seeking like the state of mind that is Paris Hilton. Like, she only wants to go to events and do like her deejaying. Like she's just not ever comfortable being just like Paris or just like a person or a woman. She wants to be Paris Hilton all the time at all times. Exactly. That's a really good way of putting it. Chandler, you're so astute. Thank you. If not, fit for the crown. If no, what did I say? I would abdicate. I'm abdicating. Lauren Jenner abdicated, saying, I took the throne. That's literally like saying, Oh, if I was going to be president of the United States, I would blow the place up or something. I'm lazy. I want to abdicate. You can't say that it is A. Oh, abdicate, baby. OK, so back to the dock. So we basically we see her like, go through all these events. My friend Robert brought up an interesting point that I think the reason they showed her events in South Korea is because everyone in South Korea are very obsessed with Paris Hilton and like her blond hair and just like her whole blond Barbie look. And I don't think she would have had that same translation. I don't think she would have had a bazillion fans waiting for her if she just went to a mall in, you know, Glendale or something. No, absolutely. Her time in the spotlight, her A-list status is no longer in the U.S., but she's still very much an A-lister. Definitely. But she doesn't have. Right? But she doesn't have like crowds waiting for her at the airports here, like maybe she did at one point in her life. Her A-list status has diminished in the US, and she's no longer on the front pages. She's no longer the it girl. She's very much somewhat of a husband, I would say in the US. She's not in the limelight as much anymore. It's not the top of her career in the US, but in other parts of the world. She's still an iconic A-list celebrity. Right, right. One hundred percent. So that was just like, interesting. And the voice thing one hundred percent spot on. She fully changes her voice when she's like being Paris Hilton. And then when she's actually just being a normal woman, she like has. A pretty deep voice. Not like in a low, and we are not that it is even about she and her real life, a normal voice. Yeah. And her real life, she's like a normal voice, but like when she's being Paris, she's so high it and then, OK, what she did baby talk with her with her boyfriend. Do you remember that? I don't remember that anyway. Do you want to talk about her boyfriend? I'm sure they're not together. They broke up and yeah, the guy that's just like it features one of a guy she was seeing in that part was, like, really heartbreaking. I think that basically this guy is in her life and he's just like this idiot. He's like drunk at her Tomorrowland set, which was like a very big deal. And he, like, can't get it together. And she, like, ends up having to cut off his wristbands because he won't leave her alone. He's like, literally following her upstage and security is trying to keep him back. And I think that moment when she goes out on stage and is deejaying and I'm just, you're just seeing like literally all this essay charity that she just had to like, leave behind her to just go out and perform. I think I realized how lonely her life is and how sad it is to date, or to try and have a normal relationship. Yeah, extremely isolating. It's like you can't you really don't have other people who can relate to your life at all. No. And men will just let you down. And I think there's a little bit of a double standard there where if you're a guy dating someone in your super powerful or you're, you know, very wealthy or you're very famous, there's a power dynamic where you could date someone who has more normal and they would just look at you admiringly. Exactly. But if you're a woman and you do that, I can understand as a woman you would want to date someone. You're equal, at least. And so you date these people that can't relate to you at all. It's just very hard to find someone who you would admire, who you would not feel like more successful than, which is a weird thing to say, but I think that is a it's more isolating for a woman to be dating from a very successful position. A thousand percent when she talks about how every time she stops a relationship, she has to get a new computer and she has all of these MacBook stacked up inside their Ziploc baggies. Because, yeah, it was, it was almost hoarder status. Yeah, she did. Like in the later part of the documentary, her jewelry and her clothes, everything looks really broke. To be honest, I just was really disorganized. Anyways, I just found that part was when she just discussed how she had to get rid of her laptops after her relationship because guys will hack into them and she's had laptops thrown at her. Yeah, OK. Well, getting to the heart of it, how do you feel about the actual trauma? OK. I felt like the actual trauma, like the Venn diagram of my life in Paris Hilton's life was pretty thin. Like I had obviously my run in with her as an 11 year old when I said that stuff about her in the newspaper. But up until this point, like, we didn't really have much overlap. But then finding out that she went to a correctional teen behavioral center in none other than Provo, Utah, for like multiple years, she was there for 11 months. I believe really she I think I think I guess she was, and I think she was in other camps, though, like she went to other camps, too in Utah. But maybe she was only at the Provo one for like a year. I looked up where it is and it's like just 10 minutes south of BYU. It's actually in the more like Mapleton Spanish fork area. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah, at least on Google Maps. OK, so what's so interesting about this is I am ashamed to admit that when I heard about this, I was ready to really discount her sob story because I just felt like, Oh gosh, come on, get over it, whatever. But then I was reading reviews of the school and people like to have written reviews, and these are written well before like years. Reviews are written years ago, basically saying I went to the school 10 years ago. My parents made me go there and I still wake up with nightmares. This is like very much a common story. Oh yeah, people exit these schools and they're traumatized for life. I'm Lauren, and I have family members who have gone to schools like this and what they do, what to get you to these schools like literally the process is kidnapping you in the middle of the night. I actually remember hearing about a family member of ours who had that happen and not being shocked by it. And as an adult like thinking about the fact that my number one fear as a child was getting kidnapped and the fact that they like basically simulate that it's so crazy to me. Yeah, I mean, mom, always, not always. But mom would reference schools like that and tell us about them. And it never struck me as that. That's a horrible thing or wrong thing to do. It was always like, yep, troubled kids. So that's what you got to do. That's what it takes to reform. Like, I never saw the error in those ways. And it's what's interesting is they always said they cannot be in the middle of the night basically, because otherwise you would never go. You would never go. But then you think if they have four big men, they're going to take away this one teenager. They can do that by turning on the lights in the room and the mom and dad saying, You're going with these people, you know, not you don't bring you to death. You don't need to be awoken by someone physically grabbing you and taking you like that is so beyond traumatizing, beyond traumatizing. And I was even as she started to talk about it, there was like a part of me that was like she was going to clubs. At 15, she was sneaking out of the house at some point as a parent and you're like, I don't know what else to do. Like, I can't literally I would have. To handcuff myself to my child. Right, right. And so it's just it's a really it's a really hard problem to have a teen like this. My heart kind of broke for her mom because obviously they had like they didn't have an idea that she was like, I mean, when I when she talked about being fed medication, that was really scary to me. It's one thing to make kids like, go out to the wilderness and do some manual labor. It's another thing to like, make them like, take medicine that they don't need. Yeah, absolutely. And yeah, it was just it's all crazy that it's all happening in Utah and it's a mega industry. I have heard about a lot of wilderness style camps like that where they take you out and they basically like you survive in the wilderness. Uh-Huh. And I always feel like the stories and listeners let me know if I'm totally off on this, but I always felt like the stories of people coming out of those were always positive. Like, people like spent a lot of time in nature. They learned to be self-reliant. They learned to be really grateful for their modern conveniences, and kids were totally transformed by those experiences. But like the essential prisoner situation, right? And these solitary confinement where you're naked? Yeah, they're actually they're just taught. They're not teach. You like to survive, you know, power yourself. They're just torturing you. Both programs are designed to break you, if you will, in different ways. And one is through like actually being like a person out in the outdoors and like having to deal with the rigors of nature. And then another one is literally psychological torture, right? Yeah. And it's just it's crazy. Like throughout the whole documentary, and especially when she talks about the school, she always refers to it as Provo. And, you know, it was just it was eerie because I just know Provo is like the town of Courtney and why I live in and like where I went to school. And then just to hear it so many times coming out of Paris Hilton's mouth was like, very strange. Having her reference it as essentially a dark prison was hilarious. It was scene that we share so many warm memories of that place. Yeah, totally. So interesting, so interesting. And I think just really sad because it is really sad to see that so many kids are just completely traumatized. Oh yeah, Princess, right? I don't know. I think like I maybe had a more black and white idea, like tough love. And after saying that, I'm like, Oh, that's so awful. Truly traumatizes you for the rest of your life. Yeah, yeah. Anything else you wanted to say about that documentary now other than I recommend that just it's definitely worth the watch. And I hope she I want her to be successful. I was like apathetic about her now and now. I really want her to be, like, totally successful and I want all nothing but good things for her. Yeah, I feel I feel very supportive of Paris Hilton Inc.. I also want to say, though, that there were a few references to her being a low key genius. Oh my gosh. Which I think were a little ridiculous. I mean, who are we to say that she's not? But I was like rolling my eyes at this. Yeah, there is certain others. I have this like, very low key storyline that was alluded to several times throughout the film about how she's actually, like, very brilliant and extremely smart. And one of her classmates talks about how she at one point starts talking about economic theory at Provo with just the level of articulation right from it at MIT Professor. It was just a little bit ridiculous. That was the one part that I was deciding. Yeah, definitely. Don't know if I totally buy into that, but maybe. But she does seem like a broken, hollow shell of a person. And so someone else was saying she wears sunglasses because she looks so like dead in her eyes. Interesting. Yeah. It's very clear that she is a broken person to this day, and it's stunted in many ways, and that her sister is very much like a healthy, well-adjusted person. And I could see that I could see this very traumatic year long experience being the cause of that. Yeah, yeah. Because things just like really negative experiences like that, they do change you. Well, there is this one quote I I like, and I won't try to reiterate it now. Sort of spicher it. It's a jury grand poem, actually, and the poem basically says you have something happen to you and you want to go back to before. But what you don't you never get to go back to before. All you get at the end is to be changed. And I think that's interesting just about life. Like, really, if something really, truly negative happens to you, yeah, you can rise above it. You can still have an amazing life and like a great life. But ultimately, those things really do impact a person. And it's totally, yeah, yeah. There's a reason. It's like trauma. It's you can't really move past it, ever. Yeah, exactly. I think that the I think that's that's interesting. You never get to go back into the garden of Innocence, but you never go back into the Garden of Innocence, Garden of Garden of Eden. A bit of innocence. No, the garden of Innocence. The Garden of Eden of Innocence. Oh, oh, oh, it's truly on a less innocent note. Yes, I I have a confession to make. Oh no. It's something that is slightly ridiculous, but I just wanted to try it out because. I, yeah, I want to try it out. Essentially, Lauren and I are bargain shoppers, we like discounts, we like a promo code. We like 15 percent off a cool 40 is always nice. A cool 40 is incredible. It's incredible. And then, you know, you can sometimes couple it with like free shipping or yeah. Lauren, I know you have some methods for getting discount codes. Are you willing to share those on the pod? Absolutely. So friends, I'm not ashamed to admit I am ashamed to admit, but I will admit that I will frequently try to guess codes. There are so many promo codes are the same that go across all websites just because people aren't all that imaginative or they don't use computer generated random codes because you can't. You can never guess those. But you know what? It's always worth trying a welcome 10. Sorry 15 a sorry 10 a a welcome 20 a whatever the brand name is, I always go with fam, I try fam. And then a number of fam 15. Oh, interesting because, well, oh, I've never done just fam itself. I will always take the brand name. So if the brand name is Rebecca Taylor, I'll do Rebecca Taylor family or Rebecca Taylor fam that got 30 percent off at Rebecca Taylor. Wow. Three or four years. Yeah, oh my gosh. Yeah. So Doen fam is a classic one that we used that got 30 percent off. So it's a true moment of triumph when you get an excellent discount code, and I want to empower all my listeners to try. Kagan tells me that this is actually illegal and some sort of high level fraud, so hopefully I don't land in jail and this this podcast isn't jeopardized, right? I saw this caucus is never admitted into evidence at some point, but here we are. Well, I'm just going to come clean about how I recently obtained a promo code. OK. I love Buffy comforters. My mom got us all them for got us all a Buffy comforter. My mom got us all Buffy comforter for Christmas a few years ago, and I instantly loved it. So I'm a big fan of the brand and I recently wanted to just try out. I have another one of their comforters and I wanted to try out so their sheets. But I'm like, I don't want to pay full price. And I just know that some, like Millennial Copywriter, is just sitting behind their customer service desk and has nothing better to do than to make me promo code. So I got inventive and I emailed them, first of all, to talk. I had a real reason to chat with them. I wanted to know how to launder when I didn't wanna go to the dry cleaner. So I said, Hey, how do I use? How do I put my comforter through the washer? And then they're like, blah blah blah, hang dry. And then I'm like, Thanks so much. Big fan of the brand. I'm also a big fan of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Do you guys have any special promo codes for fans? We it. The brand is obviously called Buffy. Well, obviously, but why would they have a special promo code for a viewer or a fan of becoming Buffy? I don't know. Like, maybe they would. Maybe they're like, Oh, I just I love Casper Mattress, and I also love Casper the Ghost, so I want to help film the iconic film. Can I get a promo code? What? I'm actually going to read you the exact email because I just think it's no skin off of these customer service people to like, get a get a promo code. So basically, let me read it to you. So I said, this is what I. This is exactly what I said. This is how I obtain this promo code. Hello. I have your original Buffy cloud from years ago and still love how soft it is. Now it's a bit old and I want to get a duvet cover to freshen it up. Sorry, it was a duvet cover, not sheets. Is the duvet cover the same material as the cloud? I just don't want to lose out on softness. Thank you, Chandler. P.S. Is there a discount for Buffy the Vampire Super Buffy the Vampire Slayer, super fans? Question mark and ridiculous. Do you know what? I got back? It's so ridiculous. It's so bad. I got this response from Tunisia. She says. All this stuff about how to wash my stuff or like about the duvet cover. And then she says, as a thank you for your support, please use soft twenty four to save $20 off your next order of Buffy. We're also big fans of Buffy the Vampire Slayer ourselves. Wow, that's incredible. That's actually genius. And I found it on to you in this moment. It's so shameless. Oh my God. I mean, if this doesn't convince like anyone listening that we need like a sponsor, I don't know what like this is a new level of desperation, even for me. Wow. Wow, I'm verklempt. I'm speechless. Hey, why is it reminds me of the time when I was probably twenty sixteen? Everlane probably debuted as a brand in 2012 or 2013, and I was into it at the beginning and I remember I probably had. I've deleted my Instagram many times. OK. And full, but there is one time when I had two thousand followers back in the day and I remember I emailed them like five years ago and I said, Hey, big fan of the brand, if you guys send me a beanie or something, I'll post the dopest picture. Like you jokingly, I'm not you like, we're trying to be an influence. It's like trying to be an influencer if you can see MTV. Yeah, a beanie or a T-shirt or whatever. And I usually make beanies. It's like, Yes, they did. And or actually, I said, if you send me a T-shirt or something, I'll like post a dope picture. And the girl took pity on me and she's like, I see that you've been a fan of our since 2013, so thank you. We're going to send you a beanie. And they did send me a beanie, and that was very nice. But they didn't ask for a picture like a kicker picture. They don't even know. Need to tag us. Thanks, but no thanks. So embarrassing. Oh, I don't know. You know that story? That's great. Desperation is welcome out with pop apologists. Truly, we are just desperate gals and we probably will be until the day we die. It's just it's a state of mind as a state of being we right? It's true. It's true. Just yeah. OK. Speaking of being cheap and discount codes, Shatner, I have to tell you about $39 a massage in Orem, Utah. What? OK. I'm not in Provo. Out in Provo, as we were when we were staying with Courtney, I went to get a massage. I wanted to tell the story on the pot, but then I got it was eclipsed by my wedding story, but I still think it deserves its its day in the Sun. Okay, I have an answer for this. OK. I look up, you know, I want to get a massage and I see one. Massage Place advertises thirty nine dollars for 60 minute massage for new clients and it's a chiropractic office. And I was just sold immediately sold. I have certain friends who will pay $300 to get a massage at five star resorts and spend the whole day at the pool and the whole day of going from an amenity to amenity. That's not my massage mentality. I want to pay between like 40 and $70 maximum for an hour. And so anyway, when I saw 39, that was right in my ballpark. OK, so I made an appointment. I go. Wait, hold on. You said it was for new members only. Did you like sign up like you had back issues and you needed to have the consultation? Be honest. No, it wasn't new members. It was new clients. Only the first time still sounds like something you need a consultation for, but go on. I didn't even just said thirty dollars, first time only or something. Anyway, I didn't assign any sort of contract or deal. I just know that I went in. They gave me a massage from $39. OK, so I go and the chiropractor sign me signs me. First of all, it's in this very, very everyone who's familiar with Provo, a Provo adjacent architecture. It's in this like 70s brick building where it has not been updated since the late seventies. It's basically behind target and or OK. It's just kind of this, you know, it's a very, very diminutive office, should I say. So it's almost in a basement. So anyway, I go into the office, the guy motions to me. Here is your massage therapist. Great. I go in and I am on the table. She comes in, she starts to give me a massage and she she says, Oh, sorry about the music and the music playing, which I hadn't even really noticed into to that point. But then she mentions it, and it's the Beatles. So it's not, you know, I'm generally accustomed to like deep ocean sound, right? Rock or over water water of Iraq's, some sort of like Enya radio. And no, we have forgone the ocean waves for the Yellow Submarine of the Beatles. Best way? Yeah. And she goes, sorry about the music. That's all they had. And I looked in the corner and it was an iPhone. So I just I thought, this is all they had. I'm a hundred percent. She's like, Oh, there's access. This is all about iPhone. This is all the internet had for the day. The Beatles. Sorry, but you know what? I'm thinking, I'm here. I'm getting a $39 massage. I'm not here to complain. I'm here to be touched reluctantly by another person. That's all it really is. That's an inappropriate or sexual touch, reluctantly. What do you say? I don't know. OK, I'm going to leave it, and I didn't mean it that way. Listen, I swam. This touched reluctantly. Sound weird. I'm paying for someone to touch me. That's all there is. That's what I'm a sound action, baby. OK. But anyway, I'm not there to be a diva. So then she's misogyny, and she just starts like making these sounds and she's like, You know, OK, too much later. I'm just like. So after three or more moans of dismay, I finally say, Is there a problem? Oh yeah, there's a lot of problems. That's what she says to me. And I go, Really? She has. Yep, you have what I call issues in the tissues, and I say, is that the medical term, what she tells me that I have issues in the tissues. I sound like I'm making this up. I wish I was because I have issues in the tissues and she goes, It's really, really, really bad. She she proceeds to tell me that my tissues are so problematic that I'm going to require three massages a week for at least six months until I'm rehabilitated and can go down to one a week. OK. And she's. Hold on. She didn't, actually. You're going to need $339 massages, $339 massages until, you know, I don't get the first time. She tells me three massages a week for six months. OK, and then I will be rehabilitated to the point where I can start going down to one a week. OK. Wow. There's light at the end of the tunnel. So she says, you know, a lot of people are like you. They don't know they have all these problems. And she says, And then one day they go and they reach for a glass and the upper part of their cabinet and boom, their knee blows out and they need to get a knee replacement. Wait, what is your knee have to do with your tissue as she massaging her kneecaps? Because that's wrong. No, she was. As far as you might like shoulders, I was so confused by the whole situation. And so I'm like, Oh yeah, definitely. I probably should do that. But she was like, Oh, you really need to. You really need to. You can't afford not to. And I'm like, OK, OK. So then I kind of. The conversation dies away after her dire warnings, and then she has the gall to ask me, Have you ever seen the love show by The Beatles in Las Vegas? I'm like, No, I have it. She goes, she goes, It's too bad. It's a feast for the senses. It's like, Please don't say feast for the senses while you're touching my body. And that's when her whole like story about that. The iPhone, only having the Beatles on it, I think, really became completely not believable to me. Right. But that was my that was the extent essentially of my massage. Wow. A feast for the eyes. A feast for the sorry feast for the senses. Excuse me. So if you want to hear the best of the Beatles tracks and be threatened with a knee replacement, I highly recommend a $39 massage and or you try to put the link in the show, notes Laurin. Honestly, you can just Google or a massage, and it'll come up and Google. Wow. Amazing, truly. I know by now we don't I think I'm too lazy. I think that's a small price to pay for a $39 massage, if you will. I just I couldn't believe she thought I was that dumb to think that I'm going to need to get my knee replaced because I didn't get enough massages one day. I just love the fact that she's just like making all of these like grunts and sighs, and that you're basically supposed to be like, Are you OK? And then she's like, Well, you're not like, That's her strategy. Is something wrong? Oh yeah. A lot of problems. Plus, you've got issues in the tissues. Whew. Amazing. Yeah. OK, well, beyond being broke hoes. Is there anything else you want to discuss this evening? There is one thing, one more thing I'd like to come clean about. Oh no, I haven't come clean. I just want to get it out to the open in the open so that I don't have to just like, hold on to this truth anymore. I can give it over to the listeners and I can be shared for better or for worse. OK, we're all listening bated breath. At this point in my life, I'm not terribly religious. That being said, I have a thing for hot religious music. I don't know. I don't know what happened somewhere along my transition out of faith, I fell into loving hot Christian music. What's hot Christian music? OK, this is how I define hot Christian music, and there's really only two artists that I know of that are hot Christian music. So, Sam Hunt, do you have you ever listened to Sam Hunt, Lauryn Hill? I never pop country star. Never once he has some songs. He has a song called Sinning With You. And I'm just going to read you some of the lyrics to the song Sitting With You by Sam sitting. OK, I'm sorry, but I'm actually already a little tingly. Yeah, it's called OK, raised in the first pew. That's the first line I almost want to play. I wish we could play it. And as he talks about race in the first pew, praises four Jesus case of a small town repression. Your body was baptized. So disenfranchised, I was your favorite confession. Cut to the chorus. OK. I never felt like I was sitting with you. Always felt like I could talk to God in the morning. I knew that I would end up with you. Always felt like I could talk to God in the morning. If it's so wrong, why did it feel so right? If it's so wrong, why did it ever feel like sending with you? Oh, it's a little Bill Withers. It feels this good. If it feels this good being bad, then keep on doing it anyway. I got one more lyric OK, I know what it feels like crossing the line, but I never felt shame, never felt sorry, never felt guilty. Touching your body, his grace and your grace felt like the same place to me. What? I guess they're playing this on Christian radio. That's like, that's just as sacrilegious. It's literally, but you have to listen to it. It's actually not. It's like it's so hot. I can't explain it, but I think you need to listen to Sam Hunt and see how hot Sam Hunt is. Truly, Sam Hunt is one of the most like gorgeous men of all time. I just look him up. Just look looking up right now. There's just also something so sexy about a God fearing Christian man. Yes, this is. It goes back to Dr. Phil.. Oh, Tim McGraw, it's like all of these men. I just got the chills. I just literally by listing off those two names. I gave myself the chills. There is just something about a strong man going to church every Sunday, getting out of his truck, going into church right next to his mama. I called mama to sing about love. Tim McGraw sang. It is it checks a box in such a mighty fine way. I can't like, I can't even like, really articulate how hot it is to me. The trouble is that we could never actually date anyone like that because we can't actually relate to them. We're right. Way too jaded and cynical. Yeah, those people also wear MAGA hat. Yeah, but there's the caricature in our mind of the god fearing wife loving, just gorgeous Christian man. Right? It'll stand the test of time in my own mind, right? Definitely. I mean, I think it brings us back to the type that you coined that I've stolen fully that I'll admit to. I didn't realize I stole it until you told me that I stole it, but I'll admit to that. Lauren and I both have a special affinity for what we call liberal cowboys. Mm hmm. And like, they just check a box and just such a fine way. Well, they check the box and all all fantasy figures do right, given that they don't exist. So they exist in the realm of fantasy, not reality. OK, so this all of this is to say that my guilty pleasure was once again awakened when Justin Bieber came out with a song. Holy. Oh, I wouldn't listen to it. It's pretty bad. It's pretty bad. It's not as good as even Sam Hunt's caught a hot religious music. OK, but basically the music videos like pretty cringy, and I would just encourage everyone to go watch it because it's pretty bad. But we're seeing a full metamorphosis of Justin Bieber. Before us, Kim and Kanye are just going way, way down the religious train. Yeah, like religion at all. There's nothing wrong with being religious. There's something wrong, even with having your brand be like being religious. It's just like, I wish things. I wish I was like, I mean, clearly, I wish I could find someone who was. But yeah. Chance the Rapper has done the same thing. Like, they've all Kanye. Justin Bieber, Sam Hunt. I suppose you can throw in there. Double down on. OK, now the only songs I'm going to write, the only like work I'm going to do is like God related. They all say that right now. Yeah, yeah. Even Justin Bieber is all religious. Yeah, I'm pretty sure he just said in his caption for his music video was like, This is a new era. His super religious. And so is Hailey like Hailey's dad? Alec Baldwin's brother is very Christian. Very religious. Yeah. Oh, so that makes sense. That's why they got married. So, yeah. Uh-Huh. Gotcha, yeah. OK, well, honestly, I'm a Hailey Bieber shipper, I think that she is just stunning and I actually really enjoy all her paparazzi photos. And there's something about her that is very endearing that I know she's Kendall Jenner adjacent, but she seems to be. I don't know. I love her at her. I think she's actually her. And religion has probably saved Justin Bieber because he was, like, headed down a dark road. And I just I. It's also interesting because in the I feel like I've said interesting a lot during this podcast, so I apologize. It's different in the music video because you have this other music video that was like with Drake and DJ Khalid that was like totally gross and like stupid Hollywood partying that was not religious at all. But Hailey Bieber is like the the love interest in that. Or at least she's shown like in an intimate sense with him. But in this music video, it's not Hailey Bieber, it's another girl, and they don't do anything. They don't care. They just like, cuddle. And I wonder if that's like a part of their like marriage or like respect for each other that he's not going to be like kissing another woman in a music video. Interesting. Yeah, I could see. Yeah, totally. They're very in love. They are very clearly in love. Very tactile. Very physical. Very tactile us. No, I love it. I love that word. Yes. OK, I want to watch the music video another item that Chandler. I want to point to your attention. Stassi Schroeder is basically back chant. Have you watched the interview with Stassi? No, I just saw some headlines about it. OK, so I watched the Tamron Hall interview. First of all, it was Cameron Hall. She's a black woman and she has a talk show. But anyway, so she is grilling Stassi and tearing into her. And it was like a pretty intense interview. And Stassi made some good points. And I think what she basically said was like, I well, basically what she did say was I wasn't racist, but I wasn't actively anti-racist. And that's what I really regret. And I feel like, you know, I've learned the errors of my ways and she has a racist or not a racist coach, but a race coach, OK, like is that she has do like homework assignments with and checks in with. Wow. Cancel culture like at work. Yeah, at work. And but I think what's so funny about it is like the interview did not really go that great for her. I don't think she got a lot of negative heat. Yeah, it seems like she's just it seems as if in her mind, she did the interview and now she's back in action like she's posting under stories. Now she seems to be back. Right, right. So I just think that's fascinating. I yeah. Seeing the headlines, it definitely did not seem like it went in her favor. But I just want to say I'm not a person who's an advocate for cancel culture. If she's doing the work, let's like, let's not be so quick to just erase people from like the world. Well, the world has just shifted so dramatically in the past 10 years. Everyone in their mind knows this, something they did five to 10 years ago that they absolutely cringe at now and are just wiser because of the current environment we live in. That thought or that action or that statement that they made in the past just isn't appropriate and is so wrong now. But really, like just it's just crazy that people are held to today's standards when really five years ago and 10 years ago, we're just we're very different times, right? We did not have the learnings and the understanding and the like, the wide perspective that like we just have now. Yeah, we don't, I don't think should hold twenty fifteen or twenty ten actions to 2020 standards. I don't know exactly. I don't believe in no repercussions, but I don't think that people should lose everything because they made and because they did something that people now see as off color. Do you have anything else to say on that? No, I am. I'm oh, Lala is having. Speaking of Stassi and Vanderpump, Lala is having a girl. Did you see her gender reveal? I saw a clip of it. Do you know how they actually revealed the gender? Yes, it was someone in a parachute skydive with a pink parachute. That's really cool. Yeah, it was, darling. I'm rooting for them. Excited. I have serious FOMO and I'm not their friends. I don't even know them. But whenever I see them hanging out, stories like, Wow, they must be having the time of their lives. Always frickin Randall, just a big old grin on his face. Oh, just footing the bill of a PJ. Right? So fine. God love him. I think we'll see if Vanderpump even returns to the air. But until then, that's a big question mark. Yeah. Until then, though, you can just keep watching the crown and keep listening to people. Just keep on listening, listeners, because we'll be back next Wednesday. Oh, and let us know what you think of our new cover. Yes. Let us outside. Shout out to Chris, our dear friend. Guys. Chris Lemon is my best friend and old roommate, and he has tirelessly worked on this new album, art. Also shout out to Mario, our photographer Sammy, who styled US hairstylist. We, a whole village, was able to make that make this new album art come to fruition, and we owe it to them. So thank you guys so much. 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