Southern Charm's Molly O'Connell

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And action. Happy Thursday. It feels good. Oh, it does feel good. How are you? I'm like, so happy right now. I just was like I just got off the phone with my therapist, and it just she just put me in a great mood. And it was one of those where I really didn't want to do the, like, session because I just did it over the phone. And I feel like that's when I am at my best is when I'm in therapy and I don't go in with anything planned, and I just start riffing. It's like I do my best work. No. Absolutely. I can agree. And I've I've totally been there where, like, you don't really feel like going and you kinda, like, you kinda get c**ky, and you're like, wait. But, like, I'm good. Like, what are we gonna talk about? And then that's when, like, the real s**t comes up, and you're like and that's when you cry. No. No. No. I but, yes, totally, but not today. Like, I was so c**ky today. I'm like, you know what? And, like, this is, like, the first time, like, after my wedding that I, like, spoke to anybody. You know? So I was thinking, like, oh, is anything gonna come up, like, subconsciously from that? Like, nope. I I mean, I I talked about stuff, but I was like, you know, like, it's 2025. Like, I I don't have time for this. Like, this is just a time. Married, and we're living. Yeah. It was it was a good therapy sesh, and the sun is shining. Oh, that's wild because the it is I mean, we are the skies are black right now. Like, I'm looking at a real dark sky. No, but I'm okay. Natalie just made a face, but I'm okay, Natalie. Like, we're coming off off of, like, a lot of sunshine, and, like, I haven't been a lot of sunshine, and that's okay. But, like, this kind of feels good this kind of feels good for the family right now. Like, I already made soup this morning. Like, I'm just, I I kinda like there's no, like, torrential storm. Not to brag. Those people in the snow are like, f you. But, I mean, like, rain is coming, and I'm okay with it. I think that there is such a thing as too much sun. And I like, listen. If I'm on a vacation and it is sun is shining, it's 85 degrees for let's say I'm there for, like, two weeks. When am I ever on a vacation for two weeks? But let's just hypothetically say this. If it's sunny ten days, like, give me a rainy day, and, like, let's all, like, go get a massage. And, like, let's, like, get cozy. I definitely gravitate towards the sun, but I remember feeling that when I lived in LA. Like, okay. This is getting kind of old because there's just no, like, seasons. Here, at least, like I mean, talk to me in, you know, September, and, like, a b***h is in her rain boots a lot, and that's okay. But, no, it feels good. We have a really, really good episode for everyone, and I don't really I was thinking about, like, how do we preface this. Natalie and I recorded last week with John Mark. He's a medium. He is he's he's a what? Nothing. I was just gonna say, like, I am when we we recorded this last week, so it's at the end of this episode, and I had no idea what to expect, and it really took us on a ride. Yeah. And I can't wait to speak to this man whenever he can fit us into the three year wait list because, like, oh my god. And you guys, I had to bounce. I had to go to a wedding party. Give, like, a preface to, like, the episode. So Natalie and I recorded this because he is friends with Kate Casey. He's a friend of hers. And he and I had been corresponding, and then, obviously, we had wanted him on. But we wanted him to come on and really talk about his career. He's done a lot. You'll you'll get into the episode, but really just talk about his accolades and his life. Natalie had to bolt, which which was planned. Like, she knew she had to go, and I was gonna wrap up shortly after. I did not. I am so I'm I'm really it's not often that you and I have people like this on. I don't think we've ever had anyone on who, like we just had so many questions for. Like, you and I were both extremely uneducated in this man's, like, lifestyle and way of line of work. Like, a medium, like, we had a lot of questions, and I think that our listeners are gonna love that. But I also feel like telling what? I just wanna say, like, I feel like the questions that we had were questions that, like, our listeners would have. Like Oh, absolutely. So what do you mean? No. No. No. Natalie and I, like, dumb it down. Yeah. And I'm like, are you I was asking him about his religious belief. Not I I wasn't like, oh, what do you believe in? Yeah. But I was like, are you religious? I don't know. I just was asking stuff that I've always wanted to ask a medium. And I'm glad because I posted on our story after we had him on my sorry, on my story. And I had so many people be like, wow. Absolutely. I'll be tuning in because, like, I also have no idea. And so I just, buckle up, guys. It gets crazy, and that's okay. But, I just need you guys to know that, like, I was wildly taken by storm, and I feel like this this is one of our more, like, emotional Cicely has just stepped into the frame. Do you wanna say hi? Hi. Hi, sis. What's my name? What is it? I know you know it. What's your name? Cicely. Well, that's your name. What's my name? Natalie. Yes. She kinda looks like she's a little cherub right now. You're so, like I don't know. You look like a cherub, but then you also look like you're 13 years old. I know. I know. Do you wanna just sit on my lap? I have to talk. Is that okay? Sicily, we're gonna talk about White Lotus. Do you know what White Lotus is? So, all of that to say about his episode, stay tuned. It's at the end. Get your tissues ready. Like, I'm not joking. Get your tissues ready. Sarah sent me a picture because I was in the workout, and I she is hysterically crying. And I'm like, oh my god. What? Where did this take a turn? Hysterical is the correct term. No. Hysterical. But also because, like, I just I have to say this one more time before we move. You guys, we had no intention of him us we had no intention of him reading us. We had no intention. We did not do any backstory. We did not talk to him. We just wanted him to come on, do his thing, spread his light, and and get off. And he connected me with with my god. He buckle up, everyone. I buckle. I I I don't I like I'm speechless. I don't have the words, but it's a really for me, it's a very emotion emotional and meaningful episode. So White Lotus, it is. White Lotus, baby. Oh, you gotta laugh out of Sicily. Sicily liked that. Okay. Season three has entered the chat. All these episodes, they are released every single Sunday at 9PM. We are in Thailand. I literally Mike White, the joy that this man brings me throughout every season. I don't even care where it's gonna go. I love this cast of this season, specifically Jason Isaacs. I love him. He's the southern he's the dad from North Carolina. Okay. And love him. He was also in Harry Potter. Yes. I saw that. I love Carrie c**n. She's one of the women from, she was the she's one of, like, the three the trio of the three. Third friend. She's the third friend. So I know that Leslie's going through it, and we don't know what's happening. Yeah. Love Leslie Bibb. I know you love Walter Walton Goggins from Vice Principals. My guy. I'm I'm so happy and thrilled for this cast, specifically Parker Posey's character who plays the wife of the southern Okay. Family. Where do I know her from? Because She was in she was in Okay. Here's the issue. Well, first of all, Sarah, hold on. Hold on. She was in the interview with Blake Lively when she was like, oh, what's your bump? Remember The Blake Blakely where I know her from. Like because here's the thing. I don't know if I personally know her, her character. Like, I don't know if I know her or if she just looks familiar, if you get what I'm saying. Like, I think we all know her as a woman. She was in, dazed and confused. She was also she's I think I know her younger self, honestly. Yeah. I'm and then the pretty actress girl. You know, the girl the trio? I'm just calling them the three blondes. Yeah. The may she's from Mission Impossible. I I didn't know her. She's a oh, yeah. She's famous. I actually was in a I have a lot of weird stories about this cast. I was in a, one of my favorite sandwich shops in LA, like, long, long time ago, and she was in there all the time. And I wouldn't say she's a list. Maybe she is. I knew who she was just from, like, other things that she's done. I she need to ask you something. Yeah. These three women roll up. Okay? All these I don't yeah. I guess they're middle aged women on a trip. Mhmm. My mom always had this rule for me when I was little. And I could go to sleepovers. Like, that was no problem with whoever I mean, obviously, we had to know them, but I could go and be at a sleepover at somebody else's home with, like, seven girls, 10 girls. Didn't matter. But if I had anybody sleep over at my home, it either had to be me and one other girl or me and three other girls because my mom did not like three girls. Yeah. And I've always thought about this because it's hard, and you see it in the first episode of the season. The two girls are bonding, and the one feels left out. Well, I don't I that's very funny, your take, actually. And I noticed it too. Like, I've done girls trips where it's just the three of us, and it's like it's just when you need somebody else for me at least. Because girls I don't know. Like, threesome with girls, it can be tough. I don't know how to describe it. That's my experience. Maybe it was because that's how my mom, like It was kind of in your brain. No. No. No. Me? It definitely But it is true. Like, I I always had a a trio of gals that I was friends with in grade school, and somebody was always getting their feelings hurt. I mean, you're not wrong about that at all. It's just so funny because my experience is the complete opposite. It was the three of us since sixth grade. Like, I we are that group. And it's funny because I can, like, laugh, but my my core, it was three of us, and it was three of us all we were the three. It was just us. We had friends outside of that, but to our core, it was that. And definitely, I'm sure if you asked me then, like, we had those dynamics. But it's funny that you say, like, two of them are bonding, because I don't feel I actually don't feel that two of us were closer than the other. I feel like we each connect. You you have a bond with everyone separately. But in this, what I saw in the first episode is, like, those two aren't bonding. Those two actually absolutely despise each other. Oh, they're so jealous. If the third one is gonna unravel this whole thing, like, she is gonna come in hot and heavy, who's she hooking up with? She's gonna be the one that hooks up with somebody. Totally. I I I'm very excited by this cast. If you guys have been around here, I I've always enjoyed White Lotus is a thing that, like, I do. I don't understand it, but then I'm happy I did it. Obviously, I loved last year because of the Sicily of it all. I'm excited by each story I found in the first episode. That's something different because I feel like Jennifer Coolidge is what got me and kept me. And now that she's no longer there, it's exciting. I wasn't I will be honest. I wasn't prepared for a Patrick Schwarzenegger full frontal. Okay. I didn't know that that's what we were doing. So what's going on with those siblings? Are are is there, like, incest involved? Because they're really being bizarre. He likes Mike White in his characters. If you think about it, he likes to really, like, over yes, baby. Okay. You can have it when I'm done. I'll be done in, like okay. Just sit. So Sicily's still here, everybody. He likes to overdramatize over exaggerate, I'll say, like, his situation. So if you remember season one in Hawaii, we had the New York couple, the blonde and the buff. You know, he was one of my favorite characters, but he likes to, like they were on their honeymoon, and they just, like, live it up to the max. Right? Then There's always that character, though, in his shows. Exactly. And then last year, we had the grandpa, the dad, and the son, and it's like they're all, like, Colin Hooker. I feel weird, like, now talking about this with a slam a lot. But, you know, they were doing the most I feel like he likes to push the envelope when it comes to, like, families. And I what remember Sydney Sweeney? Yeah. Remember her and her parents? Yeah. Connie Brown. That was wild. Yeah. There's he's trying to show us there's going to be something. The dad's obviously going to prison. What's that about? Oh my god. And he can't and you know what's gonna happen? Like, he can't be on his phone, and so all the stuff's gonna be unraveling, but he's away. And, the mom wanna get, like, the larazepam. Of course. She's like, I'm here. I know this family. This is a there I've got about five families in Saint Louis that I can say this is that family. And I feel like he likes that. That's what his point is. Yes. And I feel like we, as you guys, the listeners, and me and Sarah, we love it because we can relate to it. Because we're like, oh, okay. Like, we all know somebody like this. I I also wanna get, like, just off of episode one quick take, what do you think the the gun death situation is? Just like a top of your head, like, first first thought that came to your head. First story line, I guess, I should say. Well, Walton, the man's girlfriend that he hates. What? Walton, our guy. Your guy. I he clearly has some beef with the manager or owner of this hotel chain because he's like, is she married? Thought? I was like, maybe it's his dad. Oh my god. Maybe. That was my first thought. It might be too easy because Mike likes to trick us. Right? Every person who's died, it's always been random. Whatever whatever we think it is, it's not. But I think hit Walton's storyline is gonna be the most entertaining to me. I think he's involved in something or or is it the masseuse? Okay. Wait. Wait. Wait. Is that her son in the beginning? Yes. That's her son in the beginning. That's her son in the beginning. That's why he's freaking out saying my mom is out there. My mom is out there. My mom is out there. She could also pass away because I feel like this is what he does. She was also in the first season. She the masseuse is in the first season. He brought her back. And Sorry for what was Coolidge was also in two seasons, and then he killed her. So it's like maybe this is a way to Sicily's making me get her a microphone. I'm sorry. It's okay. Cicely's making me get her a microphone. I'm sorry. It's chaos over here. Just sit in my I I don't know. I I'm so excited. And you guys, I love Carrie c**n. I I breezed over this. She was in the center. If you guys haven't seen the center, it's such a good show. Each season is a different storyline. Oh, yeah. You loved that, Jessica Biel. Good. Yes. Jessica Biel is in the first one, and then the second one, it's Carrie c**n. And she's the mother of I want you to get back. Did you notice that Jennifer Coolidge's husband is the boyfriend of I like the girl. I like I like that they connected. You mean uncle Rico? Absolutely, uncle Rico. So he's back. He's also back. Was not ready for that. I also can't wait to see more of the hotel manager, not the head of it, not not the, like, general manager. Yeah. He was the the staff is always a good fit. The staff I also was cracking up, and Bobby laughed at the line. It was very quick when Patrick Schwarzenegger was like, oh, yeah. This is my dad. Like, I work for him. I work for him, and she's like, wow. How lucky for you and you. And it's just so funny, the staff. There's also some weird vibes going around with, like, the poisonous fruit. I feel like that's gonna come back. And did you notice that the Patrick's younger brother he's so cute, by the way. He was from the perfect couple. But he drives me nuts because I hated his character in that, and I fear I might hate his character in this. I'm thinking I'm getting weird vibes from Piper. Obviously, there's something weird going on that I can't put my finger on it, but I believe my, like, hot take after episode one is that I believe that the gun is going to be I I believe it to be an accident via that family. Allah, what's what's the guy with the girlfriend? What's his name in the show? Yeah. I don't know. Okay. Like, I think that something's gonna go down to where maybe that guy brought the gun, but the Carolina family's gonna end up with it, or the mom's gonna take too many benzos or some like, that's what I believe to be. Is Rick. In the show. Of court. He is such a Rick. He's such a Rick. And I'm excited, though. Absolutely god. That girl is so annoying, but she's so good. Perfectly cast. The girl at the bar? I don't know. Like, there's there's some other characters that are getting involved here. I feel like we've got more characters in this season than we have had in the past few. You know what that girl was giving me? Remember the boat of gays Yeah. That like, that and how they kinda became their they kinda became their own character. Like, she's kinda giving me that where, like, she's gonna be involved via that girlfriend and her boyfriend. Like, she's gonna get in trouble with them. Oh, wait. Wait. Wait. Sorry. Yes. Piper is the Piper's the daughter. Piper is the North Carolina daughter who, like, went to the temple, but didn't wanna go inside and is interviewing a monk, but won't Yes. Nail it down. I'm talking about the brunette at the bar. Yes. Uncle Rico's girlfriend. Oh, that's his girlfriend. Okay. Okay. Okay. Uncle Rico didn't have any money. So how does he now have money to buy a home in Thailand? Because Jennifer Coolidge died. And is he coming for revenge on whoever killed her? Because he knows that Jennifer Coolidge is dead, presumably. Presum please come up to life. And he wasn't there. Or was he there? He left. Yeah. Remember? He was in cahoots with the boyfriend. The guys who the gays who killed her, he was in cahoots with. Remember she saw the picture of her husband? She's like, why is there a picture of my husband in this house? Yes. I know. You have, like, a lot of history. You're so right. I look forward to it. I know that it he always pushes, like I said. Remember season one, that That man was taking a dump in the suitcase. Like, he loves to push the limit. I love it, though. It's I I know you do. Me so much of that. So that's what he's doing right now. He's he's gonna push the limit, and we're kind of seeing it with the family, like, saying your sister's hot and watching your brother crank one. You know? Lord, forgive me. Why is he watching his brother? Why why are there these I mean and he made it like this, these long pauses, the music. Like, he's wanting us to he's wanting us to see what they're to be weirded out by the by the situation. And, Mike, we're weirded out. You got us. Like, we're good. God. I just can't wait till they've got, like, some group therapy sessions because you know that's come in. Oh, yeah. I, but I will say, I've got Bobby's cousins are from Durham, North Carolina, and they have some qualms with everybody's accents in the North Carolina family. They said that the only dad they were gonna be from on it. Truly, I thought they were gonna be from Dallas. So the dad, they all say is Jason Isaacs. He's doing an unbelievable job of the accent. But, like, the mom and the kids, it's all, like, weird. Well, the kids, sorry. No offense. Like, it's it's a hard accent to nail down without sounding like a cowboy. But I think the mom's, I actually I actually think hers is pretty great. I think hers is perfectly done because she's supposed to be that, like, pilled out version Yeah. Of the southern accent. But I I I agree. I don't know much about North Carolina. I was getting the, like I thought they were gonna say, like, they were from Houston. Like, I was like, oh, great. Here we go. They're gonna slam some Texas family because that accent was a little more that. I'm excited that it's every week. I'm happy that something is back, and I think that you guys need to definitely tune in. And, it's not necessary. I feel like we say this every year. If you didn't watch season one, you don't need to watch season two. Hop in season three. But welcome to White Lotus. Welcome to White Lotus. It's my favorite time of the year. I hope these seasons never end. We also posted a TV guide with I'm gonna watch I did not watch the first episode of Yellowjackets. I know we've got some Yellowjackets viewers that listen to this podcast. I will talk about that next week. I'll just touch on it. Because remember, I felt really weird last season. Like, I always felt bad, but then I couldn't stop. Yeah. So I think I'm gonna go back down that path again this season just because I'm like, we need to tie a bow on this. Like, where are they? What's going on? We've got severance every Friday. Again, this is all posted on our Instagram. Yes. Stay tuned for Sorry. Cicely is still No. It's okay. But stay tuned for this fabulous, fabulous little thirty minute chunk of the episode where we talk to the medium. Oh, thirty minutes? You're you wish. It's, like, closer to an hour. Oh, is it? So I think I left at thirty minutes. No. You left after thirty minutes. Would you like Cicely, would you like to say something? You can say something now. You left at thirty minutes and then he rocked my world. Okay. Cicely, can you say everybody keep listening to Jonathan? Oh. Dinner. Wait. Oh, we're not going we're not going to dinner. Can you just say everybody thank you for listening? Can you sing a song? No. K. You said you wanted to say something. Say goodbye. Goodbye. She said we're going to dinner, and then we'll we will wake Vienna up, and then, actually, it's, more better. Okay. Absolutely. Go to dinner. I know. You're gonna go to dinner, then wake Vienna up. And then, actually, Vienna wakes up, and then she she goes to sleep, actually. Do you love your sister? Yeah. And then, Vienna plays with this cup in in the bathtub. No. I know. And then, actually, I'm in, the the water. That's really good. So she likes to play with that cup in the water, but it's not in the water. Party right now. I think that's a great idea. Well, but when Vienna wakes up Okay. Okay. That's that's so good. That's so nice. You wanna wait for your sister. Yeah. Okay. Say you love me. Can you say hello? Sicily, please. Please. Stay home. Stay home. Do you wanna finish by singing a song? Would you like to sing a song right now? Yeah. Okay. Go. You ever feel like a sudden now. We give a girl a a star again. Six feet out, the ceiling don't Is it your favorite part? You just got it. Ignite. Ignite. That was amazing. I'm really should be so proud. Everybody just listened to you sing. That was so great. Natalie's gonna take it out. I'm gonna mute us. So you just finish. Okay. Oh, I could listen to her talk. Okay. Well, we will be back again. Remember, listen to the second chunk of the episode. We'll be back next week covering White Lotus, yellow jackets, really anything that's on oh oh my god. I watched SNL the fiftieth, the fiftieth show on Sunday night, or and it was great. I have some favorite sketches that I'll post on our Instagram so you guys can give that a whirl. Kim Kardashian was there. Pete Davidson was there. Kim skirted past Pete so quickly on the red carpet. If I could be anywhere in the world, I would have loved to be at that event. Like, literally, Chevy Chase, Eddie Murphy, all the greats. The only person that was missing was Bill Hader, and he had said in a previous interview that he did not really wanna go back. They said that he had a prior commitment, but he said that the show caused him so much anxiety. And so everybody's kinda speculating like, oh, that was kind of like a dig for him not to show up. But then Andy Samberg and Bowen Yang did a digital short where they made a song about anxiety, and they were like, it's the show is has anxiety. Anyway, it was so great. Aubrey Plaza was the first time that we've seen her since her husband, and she was wearing one of his tie dye shirts, and it really gutted me. But, okay. On that note, talk next week. Love you all and scene. Okay. We are back with Jonathan. Jonathan, thank you so much for agreeing to come cause a scene with us. No. Thank you for having me. Seriously, this is amazing. I'm so excited. I feel like we need to start with the basics, though, with Natalie and I. Like, please just I I went through, and I I read some stuff about you, and I watched some clips about you. So, like, I kind of have your background. Yeah. But for, like, a dummy, much like Natalie and myself, like, for a straight dummy, like, can you just kind of dumb it down for us, like, your gift, your career, like, how you are the way you are? Oh my god. I could go for hours, honestly. But, basically, just to make it, like, as simple as possible is I connect to the past is the best way I can explain it. So people have passed away. And to be medium, you also could be a psychic as well, so that's future. And, the only thing with the future stuff with me is I think there's too much free will to, like, you know, talk about future and stuff. So, like, I try to really stay away from that, like, as, like, a whole, but just in simple terms, I just connect to past relatives or friends, people who have passed away. And this started when you were four. Like, I'm gonna need like, my daughter is three, so, like, I'm just trying to, like, put myself in your shoot. Like Yeah. Explain that. Yeah. So, basically, when I was six months old, my aunt passed away. And my mom and my aunt were absolute best friends. They lived in Queens together all throughout, like, their twenties. And then when she got sick, she actually moved in with my mom and my dad for, like, the remaining, like, eight months of her life. So after she passed away, just like I think a majority of people, I think people have pictures of their friends, family, people that have, like, passed away just to keep them, like, around in in their homes. When I was about four, it was Easter. So my grandfather, when he was still alive, my mom's father, I walk up to him and I go, Susie's here. And he's like, oh, nice. Like, you know, being like, this kid has an imagination. You know? Like, oh, that's cool. And Does somebody need to tell John? Yeah. Yeah. And, basically, I guess I was getting really, like, annoyed because I was, like, really seeing her. So I'm like, no. Like, she's here. And he was like, what the hell is this kid talking about? And if I'm Italian, so peep so my grandfather was, like, very shooting from he's like, what the f**k is this kid talking about? Like sorry. I don't I won't No. You can't. You can. Okay. So he was, what the f**k is this kid talking about? So then I was, you know, no fault to my parents, but I was wearing, denim shirt and denim pants. I like, my mom just, like, dressed me like that. And I don't know if that was, like, the times or whatever, but, and I kept pulling out the shirt. And I said, Susie keeps, pulling at the shirt. I'm like, it's the shirt. So my mom here is in the other room, comes walks around to the other room and is hysterically crying, like, hysterically crying. My grandfather's like, what the hell's what's going on? And then my mom basically explains the story that, like I said, they were best friends. They would steal clothes from each other. There's this one denim jacket that they would steal back and forth from each other constantly. I mean, constantly. And when everyone left the service to go to the cemetery, my mom walked back in alone, took that denim jacket, and put it in, you know, the casket alone because she wanted to be, like, a very intimate moment between the two of them. Yeah. She didn't tell her other sister. She didn't tell my dad. She didn't tell anyone. She just kinda just, like, walked back in, and I think my dad probably thought she was saying her private goodbye, like, one more time. So my grandfather was like, what the hell? Like, you know, he's like, what? And then from there, I was just seeing more of, like, my family and things that I think a young kid shouldn't see about family, like, really, like, dark stuff. And by dark stuff, it's just, like, very private intimate things that I don't think, like, a five year old or a seven year old at that time as I was getting older should know. Yeah. It was tough. So was through it. I I'm sorry. We we have so many questions. No. Like, I'm so annoyed that this is a podcast right now because, like, I I don't I want to just talk to him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When you see them Yeah. Are you seeing them in dreams? Are you like this is I'm I'm sorry. Like, I'm seriously dumbing it down. Are you seeing, like, are you seeing them? Like, like, I guess my question is, like, for for an average Joe like Natalie and I, like, we see our loved ones in or or for anyone. You see them in, you know, rainbows, hummingbirds, stars Yeah. You know, things like that. Are you seeing symbols or you were, like, able to not physically see them, but you like, not a girl. Who does physically see them? Or or are you? Like, or is Susie, like, popping up next to you at brunch? Yeah. Right? Yeah. We're just having a drink together. But, no. So in in in the beginning, it used to be I would physically see them. Like because, like, at that time, I was so young, and they were trying to develop, I guess, my gift because I wanted to be as normal as possible. So, like, as I got to, like, my teenage years, I kind of realized what I was seeing and stuff my friends weren't seeing. So I wanted, you know, sorry, mom, to drink, play sports. Like, do do the stuff that, like, a normal teenage, you know, person would do, I think. But, basically, how it started when I start actually reading people reading people with symbols. So, like, if you need a Pictionary partner, I'm probably your guy. But, like, but then it it kinda progressed. So as you're starting to get more developed, it like, the best way I can explain is, like, screenshots in your head, just like screenshots. So it kind of, like they'll put people in my head or scenarios in my head that I know or maybe saw as a movie to kinda relate a message. So I can relate that. Feel like how overwhelming. Like, you just gotta get it out. Like, you just have to get it out of your system. Yeah. When I do a reading, a lot of the times, it's kind of like that. Like, yesterday, I mean, this happens all the time with readings, but people bait and switch all the time to kinda, like, try to f**k with me a little bit. So Like the person that's using you? So, like, like, the person that scheduled it will give a fake name, but not only that, will bait and switch. So they'll switch the person. So, like, the person who even reached out is not even the person who gave the fake name. Rude. Oh, that's confusing. Yeah. It's so annoying. But, like, all morning, I saw that, like, a month ago, her brother got hit by a car, this guy Richard. And I said it to her in the beginning, and then she started crying. And then she, like, explained to me later on that she's like, I wasn't even supposed to be here. Like, it was a be like, we switched last minute, like, an hour before the appointment, like, kinda even happened. Oh. And she was like, we didn't even think you were gonna even be able to do that. So what happens is sometimes is, like, they'll come through depending on the circumstance, like, a day before, the morning before. And it does get overwhelming because it's just a lot, you know, just, like, mentally too. Yeah. And I'm interesting. I'm sure so, like, if you're in a convert like, you're in a conversation with us right now Yeah. And if it at any point, you can tell me. But, like, how do you not it like, can you be talking to me like this doing a podcast Yeah. Yeah. And there's somebody right here and you're just ignoring them? And how can you turn it off? Yeah. I've I kinda learned how to, like, switch it off is the best way I can kind of explain it because if I don't do that, it will just, like, overtake my life. Yeah. Because it kind of, like, did for, like, a while. Like, because I didn't know really how to ignore it at times, and I felt like I I needed to tell everyone what I'm seeing at a certain point. Once I was once I was, like, confirmed that I'm not crazy and I didn't have schizophrenia and all that crap. I was like, now I want to try and help people. And I've also realized too by doing that, by going up to people, you have two type of responses. It's kind of like they're okay with it or leave me the hell alone. Like, we don't want people to know my personal stuff. Like, that's personal. That's private. Keep it private. So I've been very, like, nervous to do that to people. I'm interested so you're Italian. Right? Yeah. Or is your family Catholic, if you don't mind me asking? Half and half, actually. Half and half? Okay. So I am Catholic. Very Catholic. Right? Or Christian. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know? And I have done a medium before. Yep. And it was great, but then I, like, felt guilty. Yep. Be no. But that Bible, like, that's not a thing that you do. Like Yep. I mean but to me, the way I, you know, made myself okay with it was that I'm not speaking to a psychic. Like, I'm not having this woman tell me what's gonna happen in the future, nor would I religion or not. I don't want anybody to tell me that because that will make me go literally insane because I'm already, like, a hypochondriac worry or whatever. But I'm like, I had a very traumatic thing just happen, and I wanna that's the past. And Right. Hey. If this is an option, yes. I'm gonna explore it. Yeah. And Yeah. No. I mean, I've read people, so I've read someone who's a cardinal in the Vatican. They flew to me. So it's, and they, like, hit it. So, like, they came to me wearing jeans and a sweatshirt. So I kinda like a zippered up sweatshirt, whatever. And kind of, like, twenty minutes into it, they were holding up crosses to me, like, showing to me, like, this person is, like, a member of, like, the church, essentially. So, like, I didn't know that he was a cardinal. So I just knew he was just a member of a church, whether it was a priest or whatever. And I said that to him, and he literally unzippers, and he was wearing the collar. He was like you know, he was trying to hide it. And what I always tell people, like, the, like, truth of it is whether you're Jewish, Catholic, Hindu, Buddhist, they literally all come through the same. Like Mhmm. It's it one's not no different than the other, but people do have that religious scare. But I will tell you, I've read a lot of religious people from Ireland, Scotland, like, all over the world, people that are really heavy into, like, their religion, whether it's Catholic or Christian or Protestant, whatever. So I do get that, though. I do get that. Yeah. No. I I that's funny you say that, Natalie, because I've never, like and I've always wanted to, but just the opportunity, even like you kind of said, like, people schedule with you. Like, I feel like it's just something that you don't really think to do unless Right. You know, you know of someone or you're like, oh, I'm gonna make an appointment. But, whenever I've, like, mentioned it to, like, my I feel like my mom is, like, teeters between both where, like, she's definitely curious, but she's like, you know, like, that old school. She's taught my mom's Italian, Sicilian. So, It's scary. It's scary. You don't know. It is scary because you can't wrap your mind around. To me, it is. Well, when I had the reading with this woman, like, nothing really happened. And then I'm like, damn, like, I really wanted to talk to him. Like, what? But then Jack had a reading. Yeah. And it was so crazily accurate and true, stuff that nobody would know. Mhmm. And then as this is sorry, Jonathan. This is my brother or this is my brother-in-law. As he was relaying all this information because his fiance passed away. I'm sorry. That's horrible. Like, young, it was a whole like, recently, it was bad. And when he was explaining the stuff that the medium was telling me, I was like, then I was, like, in a mind f**k because I'm like, where okay. So, like, where is he? Like, I don't get it. Like, I don't so he's seeing us? Like, is he right he is Jack, are you right here right now? Like, I don't I don't know. Like, I can't compute it. But I think that's, like, part of, like, what helps, like, us grieve is, like, unless you're someone as talented as yourself, like, for you, it's like, yeah. Let him be right here. Let him be the bird. Let him be the No. I know. But I'm like but but I can't I don't where, though? Like I'll tell you this. Just to, so I get studied by, like, people from, like, NASA and all these people, like, from MIT and, you know, Hopkins and all that stuff. Like your brain? Yeah. They put, like, stuff on my brain, and they basically will do two things. I can't because there's a study that is coming out, so, like, I'm not gonna talk I I'll talk some about it because, like, I I don't wanna get in trouble really. Yeah. Yeah. But but, but, essentially, they'll do two things. Like, they'll have someone come to me that I know and be like, tell me a memory from that person. So it could be a friend, my mom, my dad, whoever. And then they'll bring, like, the janitor who I've never met before and say, read this person. And they wanna see the type like, the parts of the brain that kind of, Like, what lights up? Yeah. So, basically, from what I saw on, like, the monitor above me, there's a bean sized part, like, in the brain when I do a reading, and it starts, like, pulsating really fast. Kinda like a heartbeat. Right? It's like when you're exercising and the more you exercise, your heartbeat just, you know, goes faster and faster. It's the same thing. And then the moment it stops, it still goes fast, and then it slows down. So the best way I can explain it, it's like a muscle you don't really ever use. And when you do use it, it's so taxing on the body. So, like, when I do readings and stuff, I'm drenched in sweat. I have a migraine. If I push myself, which I have, like, many times, I go blind to my left eye, like, because I I key I push myself much. So when they also just to answer your question about, like, where are they, they'll have another medium, someone who's on TV and stuff, you know, whatever. He's in California, and they'll do the same thing. Right? And we'll do studies where we read people that are, like, Central America. So, like, maybe Texas or because I'm in New York, California, Texas, wherever. And we'll see how fast they can travel back and forth to do it. And do we get the same messages? And if we do, is it at the same time, same order? And it's typically not the same order, but relatively same time, if that makes sense. So it's not the same like, we're not reading the same order, but we're getting the same information at the same time. So, like, they're doing all these studies because a lot of the stuff that I've been talking to, like, people from MIT and all that, the near death experience has kinda, like, opened up, like, a different type of I think it opened up their mind a little bit more to the scientific side of people that are mediums and, you know, like, how they do it because the near death experience is, so many people all over the world don't know each other and share the same thing. Like, literally as close as you can get Yeah. Too. Exactly. And it's and it's scary. And it's, like, it's beautiful and scary because you know, like, there's something there. But a lot of the times when I spoke to, like, an this Olympian skier who had that, he didn't wanna come back. He said it was, like, such a peaceful feeling to be with his family. It was, like, warm love. Like, he couldn't even, like, put into words. And he said that he didn't wanna come back, but he had to because he has three kids. They were young. His mom, his sister, all these people are telling him to come back that passed away, that they weren't ready for him. But then you speak to other people. It's the same thing. Like, literally the same thing. It's really I don't know. It's like an unknown, really. Did that make you oh god. I have so many quest I'm just like can't ask you. Can I ask you, like, are you religious? So I have faith, but I don't go to, like, church every Sunday Okay. If that makes sense. Yes. Like That's all I need to hear. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Good. Yeah. Like, I'm not, like, over the top with it. I'm like, what have you seen? No. No. No. Nothing like that. But okay. No. I mean, I think that, like, especially now, we're we are in such a time where, like, we can have anything we want. My phone can get me whatever I want whenever I want it. Yep. And so as we, like as our society develops, it's like, this is this will always be the one thing that we just are so either so curious or so yearning for or or so turned off by. Yep. But, you know, like, talking about it, like, to me, I mean, I feel like it's it is such a gift. Obviously, an overwhelming gift. Like like, anything, it could probably f**k you up bad. Yeah. But it's amazing. And even, like, to see, like, just the good that you've done with it and that Thank you. You've you're able to tap into, like, oh, I'm gonna I'm gonna help, you know, murder cases, or I'm gonna help people on the other side connect because Yeah. I don't know, I don't know. It's one thing to connect to, like, you know grandma. Yeah. But, like, that's where it gets probably so deep. Yes. So, like, I In true crime, like, I know you're very big into, like, obviously, you're an asset. Not just like, how do you do that in turn because, yeah, like, how do you how are you talking to these cops, and you're like, this is just what I'm seeing. Take my word for it or don't. No. I had a it was a lot of trial and error, but, before I was even doing this full time, you're in New York. I was through the process, ran NYPD Academy, all that stuff. So I, like, was going to be that. And not not only that, when I was playing lacrosse and I was getting recruited to play, like, the collegiate level, I was really between navy and army were the two schools I was gonna go to because I wanted to serve and, you know, kind of do my thing. But, basically, what had happened was I was going through the process, the academy, all that stuff, and two high level officers, really, the chief and, homicide detective, knew what I could do, like, just from word-of-mouth, I guess. They kinda, like, knew, and they were just like, go home. Be with your family. Like, don't, like, risk your life every day. And when you have a family, is your wife gonna be, like, so concerned every night that you're leaving? So, basically, yeah, it was a lot of trial and error. They were sending me people I didn't even know to see how I was developing throughout the years, and then they sent me a really big case. If you're from New York, you probably know this case. Do you know Katrina, the Howard Beach jogger? Yes. So that was the first case I was pulled on to when I didn't even know I was pulled on to the case. Like, I had no idea. They sent me her cousin, and they wanted to see if I could even get anything. They're like, let's see what we could even do. And then it just turned out that I was able to help them aid in the arrest of the, person who did it. And then from there, it was like, okay. Like, this is kinda weird. Let's see what else he can do. And then it kinda just kinda blossomed into like, I've read an FBI's wife, and he was on the Gilligo case, like, in 2017. And he was like and she said to him, she's like, what do you have to lose? Like, seriously. She's like, what do you have to lose at this point? Mhmm. And so he sent me, like, a dumb case, like a whistleblower case to see if I could even do that. And I got the person because he didn't even believe me, and he checked the person's laptop. And I said, you need to go back to this person. And he's like, yeah. Bulls**t. Whatever. He's like, bulls**t. And then I think he was, like, thinking about it. He goes, let's just check one more time. Went back, saw, went into, like, a file, and saw all the anonymous emails, all, like, the stuff he this person was going to do. So months go by. I don't hear from them. I get a call. I'm sitting at dinner with my parents. It's an unknown number. And I don't know about you guys, but I don't f**king answer that. Like, that's creepy as s**t to me. But they kept calling. So I answered it, and he goes, hey. This is blah blah blah. Special agent in charge. Blah blah blah blah blah. Like, you have ten minutes. Show me what you got. Like, that's just, like, how it went. Like Oh my god. And then from there, I did some stuff, and he, like Wait. What do you do? You get up from the table that you're Yeah. That you were sitting at? And, like ran into the room I'm in now because I do my podcast, my readings at my parents' house, and I sprinted in here to be alone. He only gave me ten minutes. So I tried to do as much as I could. You're just sitting there, like, Yeah. I had to give names, scenarios about, like, corruption, like, a whole thing. It was like a I gave him, like, a lot of things, and now it turns out that the person that I said is arrested for six murders more counting, and there's a whole corruption piece of the people that I brought up now. And so, like, from there, it becomes word-of-mouth. It's just always trial and error, really. Like So, like, are you sitting there and, like I'm just imagining when you're connecting on on cases, right? And they're like, just tell us who murdered her or whatever. Oh, yeah. No. And, like, you're just sitting there and, like, someone comes, like, for instance I'm trying to think Oh, like when he's watching a when he's Oh, no. No. No. No. No. I just mean, like, when the FBI or when someone comes through and they're like, we really need, like, hard evidence or has anyone ever come through and been like, they're such dummies and given you the name and then and you just be like, she said it was so and so. I wish. I wish it was that easy. So, like, basically, they call me on, and the truth is I'm typically the last call. I'm not the first call. Of course. And it's really to keep the case open or turn a corner. Like, that's really what it's for. So they'll be like, we need something to keep this case going or a new avenue. And then, like, that's kinda where I come in is to help provide, like, a new avenue or something. Yeah. Like, I literally got an email a couple like, a week ago about, a crimes division in a state, and they're like, we have a 50 cases. We wanna give them to you. Some could be public, some can't be public. And he so we're, like, working logistically how that's even possible to do. Oh, that's expensive. Because a hundred and 50 is, like, for one state is, like, quite a lot. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't I I don't know if I have the bandwidth to even do that. So Of course. It's like, how do I prioritize, like, some cases over others with, like, families? It's, like, hard for me to even, like, try to think about that. But Yeah. I get cases sent to me from law enforcement families probably, like, five a week, seven a week about it. Because they're so desperate at this. I mean, I I of course. Like, they are wanting any bit of a morsel of something. I mean Yeah. I don't know if you have or not. I didn't see anything. Have has anyone from JonBenet contacted you? That that is, like, what I get all the time, and it that is, like, such, like, a creepy case. Like and by creepy, I mean, like All of it. Yeah. And we know. Yeah. It's, like, a very weird case because it's, like, obviously, people think that the you know, it happened internally, you know, within, like but then, like, you have the father that's going on, like, a massive, like, press tour, it kind of seems. And then what what is confusing to me now working on all these cases and seeing how, like, the feds, CIA, all these people work and stuff, if they're not if the Colorado police is not putting things out, like, there's a reason why that they're not putting things out. They're like, if they wanna like, their main goal is to solve a case, and I think people need to understand that. Like, they're not trying to prolong a case. Doing the best they can. They don't want this hanging over there. Like like, they're already getting scrutinized by the public and by, you know, really, you know and I do understand the father wants to clear his name and stuff, but it's like, he's going, like, a massive press tour on all these big shows to, like and the Colorado police are still say staying very silent, and there's a reason why I'm assuming that they are. You know? Like, there has to be a reason why, but he's like, he pressing them. He just put out the Netflix thing. It's like so if you don't wanna I don't know. To me, it's like It's just happened to my child. Like, let me greet like, what who gives a s**t if the public I mean, after all these years Yep. You know? Yeah. I couldn't agree more, honestly, and I think that him bringing all this attention is a good and bad thing in my opinion. Because, like, working on such these big cases and stuff, I've, like, seen firsthand what it does to families. Like Mhmm. The Gabby Petito case. Like, that was that's a good one. Like, in the sense of, like, I was working on that, and I saw it firsthand what happened to Nicole, to Joe, to the parents. And it's, like, the good things and the bad things. And it's it's you know? I don't know. Sometimes it's better off just to let the police and the feds do their thing behind closed doors Yeah. Than it is to jam it down the public's throat at times. Are you ever watching a trial? I don't know how old you are, but, I mean, I was young when this is happening, but the Casey Anthony trial like, I I vividly remember standing in front of my TV. I must have been 11. Like, I don't know how old I was, but I was young. I was in my old house, old room, and I was just like, oh my god. I cannot believe she's not guilty. But are you ever watching, like, a verdict or something, and you're like, oh, they messed this one up? You know Or no? Does it not work like that? I wish it worked like that, but I haven't really had that. I've had, like, where I there was documentaries about a case that I'm actually I was working on, and they highlighted things that were completely off. And I was just like and I would reach out to the family and being like, did you approve this? Like, I'm so curious. And nine times out of 10, they don't approve anything. They just kinda make the documentary. So, like, that stuff, I'm like, I always reach out to about being like, that's not how things logistically went. Even, like like, they're focusing on something that's so irrelevant, and they're neglecting things that are so important that would give people answers to the why. Because it's like, you know, if the killer kills someone, they kills himself. It's always the why. Like, why did they do that? And sometimes they gloss over that because they want to, like, Hollywood it a little bit Yeah. Like, up. And, like, to me, I'm like, that's you know, it's kind of f**ked up a little bit. Yeah. Like, you know, just answer the question of to of the why for people. But Oh, that There's always this girl. I mean, maybe you can't say if you've been reached out to by your family. I went to Indiana University, and this girl, Lauren Spear, disappeared. It was, like, 2010. The way her family, it makes me sick. They have no answers. Yeah. This happened over and this the parents, like, packed I don't know. I forget where they were from. I think somewhere in New York, but they packed up, moved to Bloomington, Indiana, tried to talk to the they're still there. I'm sure they've gone to mediums. No. They haven't reached out. I mean, I don't know these people personally, but it is somebody that, like, sticks in my mind that I'm, like, how is there just not one morsel of anything of like like, how? And these parents it's like, I can't imagine where it's you know, to have your child pass away is one thing, but then, like, to not know and to still not know, and maybe she is alive. Maybe she got kidnapped. Like, I don't I don't know. I always think about that. I always have thought about it when I would drive home from Bloomington to Saint Louis because I'd be going down all these back roads, and I'm like, what's stopping one of these guys from taking what if she's in there? Like, are we Elizabeth Smart? Like, what's happening? I don't know. I just think about this all the time. I can't It's it's insane because I I worked on a case which is, like, going off of what you're saying about the back roads and stuff. It's a very famous case. It's all over the news, or it was. It's the Microsoft guy who worked at Microsoft and was gunned down, like, in Oh. Like, Jared, Breidogaine, I think his name is. But, basically, what happened was kinda what you're saying is he was driving with his kids on a back road, and someone put tires on the road. So, like, since it's such a back road and it's, like, so narrow, he couldn't go around it. So he got out to move the tire, and then, you know, something horrible happened. And it's trying to find out who who did it. Right? And I always think too, because I went to college Upstate New York and stuff, and I was like, there's no lights. There's, like, no one for, like, a hundred miles. Like, someone could literally just ram me off the road, and no one would know for, like, weeks because it's such, like, a secluded area upstate. So it's like it always crosses my mind. Wow. I, like, I I'm just I'm so I'm so fascinated by, like, all of it. Like, I really I really am when when Kate because Kate came on our podcast. Yeah. Maybe at this point Oh, or no. Maybe when I came on hers. I don't know. She had such great things to say about you, and she had so many you know, she was kinda giving me, like, the backstory. And I just for me, you know, I don't I'm not around this. I don't I don't know anyone who can do this, and it is so I don't know why to me it's not scary. Like, to me, it's so fascinating and, like Yeah. Beautiful. I don't know. I mean, scary, obviously I just psychic is the scary part to me. The psychic thing is just hard because it's like, you know, if I tell you, and this is the hypothetical, to go right all the time. Like, you know, if you go right for two weeks Why did you just tell me that? Oh, shut up. No. I'm being dead serious because I spoke to the the a medium, and the medium told me she was like, you need to write. So I just thought that you that, like, popped into your head. But or you were just giving a random example. I was giving a random example. I wish I I wish it was like that. He said go right. Yeah. Like like like, to go right. Like, turn right. Yeah. So, like Never mind. Yeah. No. But if if they were like if if, like, a psychic was telling you to turn right or to go right to work all all all the time, and then, you know, a promotion or something will happen if you go this way. Right? Whatever the hell that is. But then all of a sudden, there's a car crash, and you can't go right, and then you have to go left because the road is closed. It's, like, that's the free will. It's, like, you, like, like, did you f**k up everything? Because, like, there was a car crash, like, out of your control, and now you have to go left. Yeah. So I tell people the truth. It's, like, the near future may be a little bit easier, but when people are, like, what's gonna happen to me in two, three years? It's, like, anything could really happen in a blink of an eye. The only thing that I really look for with, the future stuff, honestly, when I do readings is health. That's the only thing I look for because I've prevented people from dying. I've, like, you know, just things like that where it's, like, if I see someone that has a heart issue and they're not going to the doctor and they don't even know, then I'm, like, you should probably just go get checked out and then let the doctor tell you what it is, not not me. Just go to the doctor. Like, I'm not gonna tell you what's gonna happen, because but that's really only it, and that's only if it comes up urgently in a reading. I won't Yeah. Seek that out in general. Like Yeah. If so, like, if it doesn't come up in a reading, then you're good. It doesn't. Yeah. Like, you know, it's fine. But it doesn't really come up all the time. It doesn't Has there ever been I'll be scheduling my reading. No. I know. I'm like, what are you saying? Yeah. You're all good. You're all good. I know. But, really, like I have you guys I have to go. We'll cut this part out. I'm so upset that I have to go do this. I could talk to you for an hour now. It's all good. Can I schedule readings with you, or is that, like Okay? Am I, like, on a wait list? Well, I I have a wait list, but I would squeeze you guys in. It's like No. I'm literally scheduling one. It's like a three year wait wait list. So unless They all are. That's why I've never, like, done one because, like, I feel like I feel like you, like, find someone, and then it it really is I feel like they're all all the good ones, I should say. I wanna do it so bad for with Jack and see if somebody I wanna see where he is. Yeah. So just, yeah. Just, like, reach out. I don't I I just definitely put you on the spot, but Oh, no. No. I don't care. Yeah. No. Just just send an email, and I'm I'm down to do it. I always do that for people. I always squeeze them in. I don't mind. Thank you so much. Alright. Wish me luck. I have to go do this class right now. Don't exit it because then I'm not. Okay. Okay. Just till it turns off I'm just yeah. And then I'll leave it. And then at the end, just x out of this. Okay. Bye. Bye, Jonathan. Thank you. No problem. Wait. What did you say? Oh, I'll just take it back to that. I feel like those are the two things, though. Like, people just wanna know, like, am I okay slash is this person okay? Yeah. And the I try my best to give them, like, that, when I say closure because it's not closure, I I always try to be honest. Like, I don't think it's closure when someone comes to me. I think they have to grieve on the human level to get to that closure and stuff. I try my best to give it to them, but I always try to make sure people know that that they're okay. Like, that's, like, the biggest thing because that's what people wanna know with their loved ones is, are they okay? And and and I feel like in a certain sense, we all just wanna, like in in times I just, like, looked up, and there's, like, an airplane right there, and I lost my thought. In times where, like honestly, kinda roll when times are so dark, it's like we'll we'll take anything. Right? Like, we'll take any bit of, like Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, you could read someone and you're like, your dog can you read pets, actually? Can animals tell me? The pet thing is hard because I don't I Okay. Like, like, dog. I just, like, pulled that out of my a*s. But I feel like if people, when they come to you, like I said before, like, at some points, they're probably so desperate that they will take any little piece of, like, happiness you can give them. And it's like, you know what? If that's all they need, what a gift to be able to just let someone at least take a deep breath or Yeah. Even though you might not think it's closure to them, maybe it was the maybe not closure, but it's what they needed to hear. A %. And and, like, I always tell people this too. Like, it's obviously bad for, like, business and stuff, but, like and I always joke about that. But the reason I I say this is because, like, sometimes people rely too much on mediums, I I feel. And I and I feel that they shouldn't. And I know, again, like, that's counterintuitive to myself or just whatever, but you need to grieve on a human level. And not only that, like, you shouldn't rely on someone to get you through that process like that. Like like and you shouldn't come to a medium every three, four, or five months just a constant. That's such a great point. I'm so glad you said that, because I actually completely agree with you. Yeah. People who like, when I feel like I know of people who think, like, yes. I'm gonna go every three times, four times a year. Yeah. It's not It takes away the beauty of it, which is another reason I feel like I've always kind of again, like, I'm not educated enough on it Yeah. To really know, but I feel like that's also why I've always kind of been, like, one day. Because it's like when you do it, you wanna do it right, much like Natalie said. Like, the lady gave her kinda nothing. Yeah. And I think I'd be really I imagine Natalie was defeat you you'd feel really, like, you know? Yeah. It's it's sad because, like, I always tell people this too. Like, I think sometimes people, when they come to me, they always wanna hear from a very specific person. So I try my best to get that person, but sometimes that that person will come later on, not right away. And it takes away from their reading to the person who who I am reading because they're like, why isn't this person here the entirety, you know, of, like, the time? And sometimes they, like, miss the bigger message when, like, another person comes through. Like, it could be helping their mom, their dad, whoever it is, but they're like, f**k that. Like, I wanna hear from my, you know, whoever. Yeah. And I try to just tell people the honest truth. It's like, I really wish I could control who steps in immediately and stays, but that's not how it works, I told them. And but I will try my best to get to that person if you tell me halfway through that that's not the person who you want. Just tell me just tell me, like, that's not the person. Yeah. But let me at least do, like, the beginning, like, putting in Kinda I mean, I don't know because I've never done it, but, like, kinda crazy slash kinda cool that if you are looking for someone and that's not the person who comes through, but someone else does, you're like, oh. Yeah. They're thinking you know what I mean? Like, we all know more than one person who's passed. Definitely. Obviously, we have a more you know, an order in which they are important to you. Yes. But, you know, I think about, like, if I did it and this person didn't come through, but then, you know, oh my god. What if so and so? That's wild that they were thinking about I don't know. Like It's it's crazy because sometimes in laws will come in stronger than Yes. And, like, their actual family because it's like, you know, they watch. They've been a part of your life. Maybe may maybe not a long time, but they Uh-huh. You know, were a part of your life, but they wanna come through to let you know that they're thinking about you. Wait. I have one okay. You guys, if you haven't picked up, Natalie had to exit, so that's why she's not talking, but I obviously could not let this man go. So, like, we're gonna wrap up, and I'm gonna finish. But, that that's a really good thing you just brought up, and I meant to ask you this. Can people connect to people they never met? Yeah. So, a story, and I'll make it very quick. Basically, I was doing a reading, and I said to someone, there's, like, a ballerina dancer, like, from like, not from this country, and I was saying their name. And they're like, the f**k are you talking about? You know? Like, literally, they're like, what the f**k are you talking about? Mhmm. So a year goes by, and their neighbor across the street is moving. They have the U Haul. And there's a picture of a ballerina dancer there at like, they're moving it. And it's not like a picture where you buy it, someone, like, clearly, you know, drew it, like I forgot I forgot. I don't know what it's called, but, like Yeah. They were dancing, and they drew the picture of them dancing. Yeah. Turns out that that was that person's daughter who passed tragically, and the name I or, like, the name I was saying was her name. But the but the reason why that they didn't know, they never met that that daughter because the person was a lot older. They moved, to The United States. And it's it's interesting because they came to me, and she came through to them because they, like, live across the street, essentially. So, like, they never met, and they didn't really know the neighbor too well. They, like, knew of him, I will say, but but they never like, I have neighbors I don't even really talk to, like, at all. And so, like, they they said, though, like, this is gonna sound f**king crazy, but they told the guy what I said, and he just started breaking down crying. Oh my god. Like, because he's, like, he's been struggle like, most parents obviously will struggle if they lose a child, but, like, that that has happened where it's like, they had no idea who the f**k I was even talking about. Okay. I've always kinda wondered that because I also feel like there's an element to, you know, stories where, oh, I never met my dad. Oh, I never met my so and so. I never met so and so. And I feel like that, that element is also, like, another layer. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's there's that, and then there's, times where so f**ked up, but they think that their dad's their dad, but it's not their dad. So, like, it's a really fine line for me to be like, this guy's not your father. This is your father. And I have to be very delicate when I say it. Be like, I don't know. Like, I'm pulling this in. Maybe I'm wrong, and Mhmm. I'm saying this, but it raises enough of a red flag for people if I'm, like, repeating it a few times where they do the 23 and me, and then they find out that the person I'm saying is their father and this person is not their fa like, or mother. Like, I've had that happen, like, a lot where Oh god. And I don't wanna be the person to, like Of course you don't. That out. It's, like, so weird. So I'm like I'm like, I don't know what I'm seeing. I could be wrong. You know? But I try to freeze it like that because it's like, you have to be so gentle with it, and I don't I would never wanna jam it down someone's throat if they've never knew about it. Oh, wow. Wow. Wow. This was so like, I we've never had an episode like this. I am I'm really, really, I'm on, like, like, a high right now. I just Thank you for having me. I mean, for all I don't know anything. I mean, to it's not often that you, like, you know, really learn about stuff, but, also, like, you get to talk to someone so not you know what I mean? It's, like, something for me to get on Google and be, like, how to connect? But just hearing it all from you is, And also, your take on it, I feel like is so I don't know. If it could be traditional, I feel like you're I like your approach. I just like how you're talking about it. I feel like our listeners are going to really appreciate kind of, you guys, he has, like, he has, like, the most cozy, genuine energy. I don't know I don't know how to explain it. Like, I don't know. I just I I feel like, obviously, if anyone, you know, wants to reach out to you, please do. Yeah. He's got tell him, like, how your process works. Yeah. You just send your first name. You don't have to send your last name. You just go to my website or whatever and just send an email, and it's, like, literally that, I think, easy and also, like, not invasive. Mhmm. Mhmm. Like, because I don't want information. When you read people, do you do it over the phone, Zoom, in person? So I do it, like, primarily through Zoom, and the reason is is because, like, I don't want people to plan trips to come to Long Island for a reading. Like, that's, like, crazy. So I'm like, we'll do it through Zoom. I just realized there are now two Long Island mediums. Isn't that one lady the other? Teresa. Yeah. Yeah. I know her. You're funny. Yeah. I know all of, like it's it's a very interesting, it's a small world, I will say. It's an interesting community. I try to just stay in my own lane Yeah. And do my own thing because it becomes really tricky. Like, really, really tricky. I have a hard enough time falling asleep. I can't imagine, like, your brain and your mind and, like, what you go through on the daily. So It's f**king crazy. Yeah. I I imagine, like, what's your outlet? It's crazy. Brazilian jiu jitsu is a big thing for me. I'm Okay. Yeah. I surf a lot. Okay. Snowboard, workout. Very active. I try to be active because, like, if I could put my I it's a weird thing to think about, but if I can make myself so tired at night, then I can hopefully sleep through the night Okay. I guess without because I get woken up all the time. I have dream like, really vivid, like, visits and dreams. Okay. That's what I wanted to ask you. Like, what are your thoughts on dreams? There's like the I always try to be truthful with, like, the information. I don't want people to, like I don't wanna pretend to tell someone something and they you know, it's it's, like, not true, I guess. But Yeah. The dreams thing is this. Do people come through dreams? Yeah. Like, a s**t ton. Like, a s**t ton. And Mhmm. Like, what I always try to encourage people to, like, look at when you have the dream is the situation that you're in in your surroundings. And the reason why is because that's really the message for it, for, like, why they're coming through. Because majority of the time when they come through, they don't really speak. They just smile. They're just happy because they can't speak. Right? Like Mhmm. If you hear them, but their mouth isn't moving, that's a visit. If their mouth is moving, it's a repressed memory because that's just a memory. Right? You can hear them talk. But Yeah. A lot of the times they'll come through and they'll just smile. And the message is where they're placing you, and they're hugging you, and you're look and people get so overwhelmed. I I cry in my sleep because when I see my best friends crying right now, you guys, as he's saying. My, like, best friends, my family that passed away, my wife will wake me up and be like, you know, you were crying in your sleep. Like, you were hysterically crying. And it's because it was my best friend that died, but the message was what was going on around. But it's so hard to pay attention to that because you're so overwhelmed with joy. Yeah. Or you are just, like, hugging them, and you're just like, I don't wanna let you go. Like Yeah. Because for you, you have two grandparents that are really close, I can see, that are like lovebirds is the best way I will put it. Are you saying that to me right now? Yeah. They're like lovebirds, and they like, a broken heart can really hurt someone in real life. Oh my god. And, like and because you have two grandparents, like and I'm not saying that your other family are not in love. That's not literally what I'm talking about. This is, like, true love. This is, like, the love that I literally, like I was not expecting this. I feel, like, sick right now. Oh, I'm I'm sorry. You're you're no. No. No. Like, in the best way. Like, you are Oh, okay. Holy s**t. My heart. I wish you could feel my heart. Yeah. Because it's your grandma and your grandpa that are just, like, insane lovebirds. And, you know, like like like I said, like, without going into too much detail, I'll do too privately, but a broken heart can really hurt someone, I always say. And I think a broken heart can really lower someone's will to, like, fight at times to do stuff because they wanna be reunited with their loved one, like, so so desperately. And I'm telling you that your grandparents, the two of them, the love that they have is, like, the love that, like, you see once in, like when I say I'm I'm not saying that people don't have that love all the time, but it's a very special love that is, like, very I don't know, like a broken, like your I I I don't wanna like, I know privacy is privacy. So I'm trying to be Nothing nothing nothing is Because your grandma like because your grandma and grandpa, really, your grandpa keeps saying he feels so happy to be reunited with his wife, your grandma, and they're just, like, on top and holding each other's hands. So then, like, that's why I wanted to tell you your dreams are actually visits from them because it's actually because they say and they're they put in my like, literally in my head that, like, that's how they communicate with you amongst other reason like, other things too, I'm sure, but that's really I guess. I am so beyond, like, speechless right now because I just now I have to tell you, oh my God, I have to catch my breath. You're amazing. No, no. Like I'm shaking right now. Oh my God, I've never been speechless. Okay. I have to tell you because you keep doing the broken heart thing and like, I didn't know when you first started. You took me completely by surprise when you were like, I have to I'm sorry. My no. No. No. No. My, okay. Sorry, you guys. Sorry, listeners, but this is so f**king genuine right now. I'm, like, shaking. My grandparents died twelve days apart, and my grandma literally died of of of a broken heart. I mean, she she literally could not, when my grandpa died, it was twelve days later. She she couldn't, that's what we all to make us feel better, we were like, it was a broken heart. No. It really it truly seems like that because she's saying that it was like, your grandfather's death like, an old death is tragic, so I don't wanna, like, you know, just, like, you know, say one's more tragic than the other. But your grandfather's was tragic in a sense from what I can see of, like, how it impacted your family. And the reason why I'm saying that is because she keeps coming through saying she couldn't, like, essentially live, like, a day. And I'm not saying, like, a day because it was twelve days. It's just it just seems like Yeah. The bro like, her heart was so shattered. And Yeah. A fake smile can only take you so far is the best way I can, like, phrase it because she's saying she was pretty vocal about being broken. Like, yes. You're upset about a death, and that's with everyone, but she's was pretty vocal about how distraught she was and how because he's showing to me, like, he passed as, like I guess, best way I can explain it is, like, peaceful. Right? It's kinda like when someone tampers on both sides for, like, a little bit, because he's saying he was tampering on both sides. And when he is tampering on both sides and is when he transitions over, passes away, it would seem to me to be, like because he's smiling saying, like, he needs people to know, like, it doesn't like, his thing is, like, not that it doesn't hurt, but he's saying it was a seamless transition. And he keeps smiling saying, like, the touch, the the company around him was also very, like, peaceful as well to help him. So and then your grandma is just smiling saying that she feels whole again. So that's why she just, and I'm sorry for doing this. I did not No. Want to, like, upset you in any way. I just No. No. I am I I'm so sorry. No. No. No. No. I have waited a very long time for this. Like, I really, really have. Like, I've never I was gonna make an appointment with you anyways. Still, like, I, We go into more detail about stuff when we do it. I always try to protect people's privacy, like, especially on here, but, like, we can set something up where I could, like, talk a little bit more because I I wanna kiss you. I'm a married woman. I want to jump. I am so I knew you were like I knew you were the real deal. Like, there's nothing like I am so I'm in awe right now. I I just blacked out. Thank God we have this recorded. Yeah. No. No. But like I said, like, anytime you want something, and we can go into more, with, like, your family stuff because I see, like, there's stuff with your family too. Like, not bad stuff, just in relations to this, obviously, this passing. So Yeah. We can set something up to go a little bit further. You guys. This just took such I like, I gotta go pick my kid up from school. Like, I don't know how I'm supposed to recover today. But I just want to, as I look outside in the clouds and and I just am trying to gather myself, I just want everyone to, like, go support this man. Like, I I no. Seriously. I am I can't catch my breath. I am speechless. I'm blown away. I wish nothing but, like, if the if if listeners if if this is something you think you need, go do it. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like I was just, like, I feel like I just, like, had, like, a rebirth. I'm happy that it it came through like that. No. You know? Without being I didn't wanna be invasive in any way. No. I I had I had no way I had no idea that it that was just crazy to witness. Like, it just comes to you. Like, much like we just talked about the whole episode. Like, you really feel compelled when it happens. You just have to, like, say it. Yeah. And that's why I I didn't wanna, like, gloss over it because it's actually quite beautiful to see them the way that they are together. Like, they're literally, like, face to face with each other. Just showing me how much that they're in love and that, you know, this life, the next life, the life after, like, they're gonna be together. I mean, like, it is, like, true, true, true love. And, again, I don't wanna dismiss if people are in relationships. I'm sure there is true love, but this is, like, something where a broken heart really affected someone's passing, like, truly. Like, I mean, your grandma, like, literally went like that saying that that was the cause of, like it's it's it's sad, but it's, like sometimes people it's like the will to live. Right? It's like if you are so in love with someone and it's like they're gone, it's like, what do you it's like hard to comprehend. Yeah. And that's what she was showing to me. It's just truly a broken heart Wow. That really, like, expedited the process. Wow. I cannot thank you. I thought we had a great episode before, and then this happened. I'm gonna have to, like, go through and, like, just, like, make sure I'm not, like, heaving, vomiting. Natalie, wow. Wow. Did you miss a wild wild ride? Please tell everyone listening, like, where they can find you, watch you, listen to you. Yeah. Where can they just be, like, cons consume all that you are? Yeah. So my Instagram is, just Jonathan Mark medium. Pretty simple. And I have a podcast. It's called connect with Jonathan Mark. A lot of it's unsolved cases I work with. Just real families, real law enforcement to try and help give closure and turn, you know, corners in cases, but really just to help out the families in any way I can and bring exposure to these cases. And, yeah, just go to my website, johnsonmark.net. And that's it. Like, nothing much. Yeah. Thank you. Thank I can't thank you enough for this, you guys. Please go support this man everywhere that he is. I am sorry for my meltdown. No. Wow. I'm I'm gonna be skipping. I can't explain the way I feel right now, you guys, but it's so happy. I know I don't sound it, but it's so happy. So thank you guys for listening. I hope you enjoyed this. We will be back next week, and, wow, I gotta go have a drink and scene.