Adam Carolla Show

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Hello. Welcome to pop apologies. Hello. Hi, Lauren. We are your host channel that I was going to. I was like for a second, I thought, OK, this is great. We're going to do like some sort of serious intro, like we're getting actually serious about this podcast where your hosts. And then it was a joke. I do feel like we should write some sort of like intro little script that we see every day. That way, it's kind of like, I don't know, at least for newcomers, they know what the hell they're getting themselves into, right? Like, hey, welcome to pop apologists where two complete. Nobody's talk about nonsense, and it's a great opportunity to, you know, waste an hour of your one wild and precious life. Mm-Hmm. Let's get into it. I love it. I think that's a great working script. Thank you. We are recording today an hour late and Chandler, I texted you and I was like, Is this possible? Yeah, because we are on different timelines. It was like seven a.m. my time. So I actually woke up at 6:30 because my body, if knows, if it knows, I have to wake up early, wakes me up half an hour before I actually have to get up. So then you texted me about five minutes before we were supposed to record. I know, and but I did ask. I fully asked, and I would hope I would have not, you know, postponed. If you said, no, I need to record now, I want to give that caveat. You totally did. And I'm honestly not stressed about it. You're so nice. You generously were like, It's cool. We can record in an hour because the reason why I tell this story is because, as you know, I think I talked about on the patron, but Kagan and I are looking for a place to buy in Puerto Rico. Mm hmm. And the housing market here is it's it's like warfare. It's not even like a marketplace. It's literally a battleground, I guess, figuratively a battleground. There aren't actually weapons, but good to hear. But literally, Chandler, the like friends here, do not share real estate agents. They do not tells cutthroat. It's super cutthroat. They don't tell people about listings they know about. Like it's it is. The competition is so extreme. Like, oh, like why you had to like, literally go like under the cover of darkness. Well, because the and we went took a look at two places out came online this morning and Kagan was like, We have to go now. We have to go now. We cannot wait like we pack a bag. Let's go. So for. Well, and it's just so dark too, because everything is so expensive. And then you go, look at it and you're like, Oh, this has eight foot ceilings. It actually feels like we're in a doll's apartment. So, yeah, human beings, how are the two places this morning, OK? One is is amazing, but it needs it needs to be fully renovated. OK, I would love to hear that. And it almost looks like it has structural problems. It's like once we redo it, it will be amazing once we rebuilt the entire place. They're going to love it. Oh, OK. And then the other place, you know, it was oceanfront, which is obviously amazing and definitely the top, top end of our budget. Yeah, we're walking literally eight foot ceilings. I mean, you can place your hand in the air, go on your tippy toes. Me, I do a little bounce and I'm touching the ceiling. What in the world? Why is it like love? Are there multiple levels? Yeah, it's a it's a it's like an apartment building on the on the beach. And I think they try to maximize the number of, you know, clearly. So anyway, wow. Well, I'm sorry. It's OK. I'm sorry. But you know, I've also been combing through decaying listings myself for New York, and I don't know what it is, but like everything that's listed on Craigslist is literally looks like it's like the scene of a homicide. Totally. I don't know what it is like. They don't try it all to. Just like, can you just like if you spent 10 minutes decluttering? I would pay double what you're asking. It's like they don't even clean their room before taking photos. I don't get it like it's it's really bad. Or it's just like. Or it's just totally like a lie. I'm like, Just move the junk mail off the counter. Like, Just do that one thing, right? So, yeah, we're both we're both in similar situations. Yeah, it's it's just wild, but at least for you, it's a rental and it's not like you're actually buying this place. Oh, yeah. No, I can't imagine so. But I mean, there is something about paying two grand for a month of rent that you're just like, Wow, I'm really going to pay two grand for this closet. Oh, because because you're. Because it's a short term rental, right? Yeah, it's like a two month type of deal. I'm coming to terms with actually how expensive it is, and it's like not going to be my summer of saving money that I because I positioned it to myself, as well as the thing about short term rentals is you always think, Oh, it's the same as rent. No, it's like three times, yes. Of rent. Yeah. To Airbnb, something. That's why, once again, I would like to put a call out to the listeners if anyone who lives in New York. Knows of anyone who lives in New York who just wants to leave for a month and give me their room, let me know or maybe have a roommate or, you know, if they're yeah, if somebody you know is going to rehab soon or something? Yes. You know, someone is like in a toxic relationship. They need to get out of the city like I'm happy to to take over in those situations. Happy to prey upon people who are vulnerable, for sure. One man's misfortune is another man's treasure. A summer of love. Yeah. OK, so what's going on with you? I'm currently at Mom's House. Yes, because great. I so I went to Palm Springs this weekend. I was celebrating one of my best friend's birthdays and I got to see a lot of like old friends. It's actually great because the last time I saw all these friends was like on New Year's before COVID. So now everyone, you know, everyone's hashtag vaccinated and celebrating today, I just have to put that out there, you know, you never know what people are going to say. Are you grateful that I didn't post like a line of stories that were like we got tested before we came? Everyone here is continuing to get tested or totally safe. We're wearing masks. Like, no, I could have made fun of you privately with Kagan and like, you know, very much enjoyed that. For that, I'm glad you. I'm glad that we're just like past those days a little bit where we can just like, assume that the people are. We can hopefully assume that people who are like traveling for leisure are vaccinated right now and we're no longer in like the hive. Like, I have to post so many like stories explaining myself. Totally, totally. Yeah. So it was really fun, but I was going to fly home like literally the day after the weekend on Monday. But I got a little bit guilted into coming home for Mother's Day, changing my flight, eating the cost. Yes, you did. I was part of the Guilting Party was on. Yeah, you were part of the Guilting Party. There was a small tiff about it, but I'm glad I did because I got to come home and have crab legs. So instead of eating ground turkey up in San Francisco, I could have, you know, actually delicious food. Yeah, it's been very nice. And dad's like, you know, we're in the presence of a pop apologist. Oh my gosh, that's so funny. And I've also found out some of our other family members, some of our uncles listen to this. No. Like who? Uncle Carey told mom that he listened. So Uncle Carey, if you're listening, hello, greetings, Uncle Cory. Wow, that's actually shocking. And I know, I know. Isn't it crazy? It's kind of amazing. Was there any explanation for why they're listening? I think he listened to the episode with dad on it, which I want to say Everybody loves episode with dad. Yeah. Not that I'm surprised, but like, it is funny because I was just kind of a random thing we decided to do out of nowhere. And he, like, he killed. Everyone's like, Please have your dad back on to talk about Kim and Kanye's divorce. I know we honestly need to have them on, especially talk about the break down a ball and die. Yeah, you did get that request. I know. I know. So anyways, OK. So but I have to tell you about my journey to Palm Springs really quick. Oh yeah, please. So there's no direct flights from SFO to Palm Springs, and usually I would just drive there. But I don't have a car anymore, so it's fine. I am going. If I decided I was going to fly and my flight situation ended up getting totally screwed up, I was supposed to fly out of San Francisco at like seven have a little quick, forty five minute layover in Salt Lake, then fly to Palm Springs. OK, just be kind of a long night of traveling, but I was going to get there the first night of the festivities. Well, my flight out of SFO got delayed and then I got delayed while I was in the like waiting in the gate. Then it got delayed while I was on the tarmac and you're on the plane while still on the plane and they're like, Well, some of the paperwork is not right, folks. So it's going to be, you know, a couple more minutes. And it's just like, what like, do we need to wait for someone to print something off of some printer and like, you know, the Delta Help Center or whatever? Anyway, so my flight and like, it's a plane like heating up to the plane's like heating up. And like everyone, you can just hear the collective like, Oh yeah, so kind of by now, that particular plane and like slew of flights have been late all day because there was like air traffic or whatever that means. Also, I don't understand why there would be ever air traffic like now that the weather conditions change. I mean, I guess weather, but I guess whatever big. Oh, like, there's trap too much traffic in the air. Yeah. Like, I guess probably if the conditions are worse, like flying, landing the planes is a little bit harder. Maybe, I guess it just seems like something they could prevent. You know, it's just seems totally preventable. Why don't they put us in charge of air traffic? I know. So anyway, hopefully global. Yeah, be really great. Can, like barely get it together to like, record twice a week. Where, like, where does what's a USB-C again? Right? Yeah, you definitely want us in charge, right? So anyways, long story short, I end up realizing what I'm going to miss my connecting flight and I've never had. I don't like travel for work all the time, like I'm barely an adult, OK? So this is not an this is a new situation for me to like, and I'm like, I don't know what to do. Like, I have nowhere to go and I'm like, I have some friends. Salt Lake, but I was like, maybe I like text Chloe Brooder and then I have a friend, Jess, who knows Ben and she was going to let me stay with her. But I'm like, I don't, I guess I'm just going to spend the night and get on a new flight in the morning. Long story short, long story long. Basically, I end up getting a flight credit from Delta or a hotel voucher from Delta. I know. Yeah, what is that experience? I know, I know. I'm like, What a free night, free night stay. It's not pleasant. I'll tell you that much because I get off the plane and I like Mosey on down to the counter, and I'm followed by like 50 other pissed off guests because everyone had a connecting flight like to other parts of California. So they're like, you know, we're like cattle. Okay, here's your flight voucher. Call this number, you'll get a shuttle, you're on the next flight out tomorrow morning. So I literally call the so I'm like, It's like, you know, 10 p.m. And I call the Sheraton four points next to the Salt Lake City Airport because it's that where they put everyone up. That's where they put everyone up. And I call and I get the most frantic hotel operator ever a hotel manager and I go, Hey, I missed my flight or Mike and Delta wants me to stay with you. Whatever, can you come get me? And then the guy goes, Nope, our shuttle driver has been back and forth there all day. He's done for the night. You're going to find your own way here. You're kidding. No, no. I was like, OK, so I'm just going after like Uber. Yep. And then he promptly hangs up, like slams the phone down. Oh my gosh, what's the point of a shuttle other than to go back and forth all day? Why is he? That's like complaining about our bus driver has been driving all day long. He's done for that. It was like it was rude that I was even going to inconvenience him by asking for another ride. Like, like, it's just been like, Listen, we're podcasting every single week. We're done with us like, we're buddies. Don't you dare do the job? Yeah. So that was the start of it. And I'm like, I don't know what I'm like. Oh, and he also goes, also, I've only got a few more rooms. They're going fast. Click. Oh, are you kidding? Not kidding you. So I like scrambled to call my Uber. Also, if you know the Salt Lake City Airport. It's super big now. Like they've redone it. It's like getting from like the big gates to the gates to like literally baggage claim is like a it's like a mile walk, basically. Mm hmm. So anyway, I finally get my Uber and I dry. I get dropped off at the hotel. It's literally like in a business park and I walk in and the lobby is just a scene. OK, the guy in front of me goes, so like, I walk in and he's like, So do you have a room? And the guy like, Well, I don't technically. But if I say no, I'm going to get yelled at like, you know, he's literally just being openly rude to every single guest. OK. So I'm like just standing there and I'm like, Oh, here we go. Also, mind you, he's one of those gentlemen who have shaved sides, but then a long ponytail like his hair blowing from the root. But it is back and and it's like red, and it's gorgeous. It's a look truly so. So then the lobby is just starting to fill up with gas, and he goes as he sees more people come in. He just out of nowhere. He goes in between actually picking up the phone with people calling and repeating the same spiel that he gave to me. He just announces to the lobby. Nothing like when Delta s**ts all over you, huh? Stop it. Stop it. Stop it right now. He says those words and he's like in a uniform. He says those words in a uniform. Also, there's like Delta like flight attendants. Like, literally, it's it's just Brandon was not even playing like he. He woke up and he chose violence. Oh my god, this is the most incredible story I heard. It's like it was like in a sitcom. Like, I actually now feel like I want to write a pilot about like hotel managers like chain hotel managers and night managers. So then the best part is one of the other employees, like on his way out goes, Yeah, and we're still getting reservations from hotel tonight. And Brandon's like, Do you have a number I can call it to shut it down? And the guy was like, No. And then he's like, We'll have a good night. I'll try. Oh, nothing likely, Delta. It's all over you. Yeah. So I finally get a room. It was just it was hilarious to see him pick up the phone and then just literally slam it down like he was just he didn't care at all. It was great. I actually now call Sheraton and leave him a five star review for the entertainment value alone. I'm actually very curious. Like what? So for me, it just seems like there's either rooms available or they're they're not available. And so like, it's just like you give the people the rooms first come, first served basis. And then if they're not, it's not like Brandon's like having to build a new hotel and that's power to house people. Yeah, I'm like our parts of this hotel being like blocked off or something like, do you just keep rooms open like it was? It was confusing to me. Black and white either let people sleep there or they can't call Delta and say, Sorry, we're full. Like what? What kind of back door? Shady s**t is branded into worse, where somehow he wants to keep basically rooms open. That's why I think it's just more work for him, you know? Oh, so do you think it's just like more work checking people in and all that? Yeah. And I'm I just I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised if some hotel managers were like said they were full because they just don't want to deal with it. So, no, you just want a nice, quiet evening doing nothing while being paid, you know, I can relate to that. I love that. I love that. I love that experience for myself all the time. Brennan likes to work so often. So do we. Yeah. Honestly, I like I. I felt very endeared to him after this experience. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Can you believe that though? So that's amazing. I luckily got on the flight the next morning, but Brandon is like, it was worth well worth the journey. Yeah. So what time did you actually arrive in Palm Springs? I actually arrived at like 11 am the next morning. OK. And then how long were you actually in Palm Springs? About twenty four hours. OK. And you're supposed to be over thirty six. Yeah. Yeah, that's not so bad. No, that is that one night, though. No, it was all good. And I still ended up like having the great day in the Sun. And I just love Palm Springs Air. I just love warm air at night. You're going to love it here. Says You're like, I can't wait for Rico. I can't wait. Oh, wow. Well, what a journey. I'm glad you. I'm glad you finally made it. OK, well, this week we have a very exciting interview. You guys with Bugsy Drake, a below deck med. We are so excited to have interviewed her and it was such a fun interview, honestly. Go ahead, John. Oh, I was just going to say she's incredible. She's one of our favorites. Not not to mention a total fan favorite. We are like, so lucky to have had her on the pod. Yeah, I feel like one of the fun things about interviewing her was like, it wasn't like interviewing a reality, like a like it. Like when we interviewed Deandra, even the most amazing. We were kind of a little like more nervous. But but since Bugsy is more around our age, it was more just like chatting with a friend and getting all the details, like the juicy details that you wanted to know about, right? And we asked a ton of questions. So anyway, it's a really fun interview. Also, everyone, she has a new book, The Art of Table Escaping. It came out last week. Pick it up. We love her. Support her. She's incredible. Love her so much. And and one more thing before we get to the interview, a very special happy birthday to Chandler. I can't believe we have a listener whose name is this. She sounds like she should be on the cover of US Weekly. But Lily Blake Gray, I'm like, I'm sorry. Is this like a starlet, someone who's famous who follows us, who's actually listening to our watch? Totally. Lily Blake. Wow, you really scored in the new department. Apparently, you also scored in the hotness department because Lily fun fact was actually jogging when her now boyfriend saw her and somehow figured out who she was. I don't know. I don't know actually how the story went. Well, I think I think they were in high school together or something, or they maybe went to school anyway. Apparently, he fell in love when he first saw her jogging. The only thing that anyone wants to do when they see me jogging is ask if I need to go to the hospital. Yeah, I can't even imagine that being my life experience also. Can we talk about the fact that her boyfriend's name is Hugh, Hugh and Lily? Are you? This is straight out of, like, I don't know, a novel or something. Seriously, you would think that these people were A-listers. So anyway. Very flattered that you listen, Lily and wishing you the happiest 23rd birthday to be twenty three again. Wow. You know, seriously. Rip. Enjoy it while it lasts. OK, Lily, it goes fast, baby. Happy birthday ! And with that, we're going to cut to our interview with Bugsy Chan. I just have to tell you, I woke up in the middle of the night last night with a little bit of anxiety. I had half an early bird gummy and I swear to you within 30 minutes, I was peacefully dozing off. Early bird CBD gummies are magic. They're truly magic. They are literally magic. I don't want to travel without them. I don't want to be without them. I think it's the twelve point five milligrams of CBD, two point five milligrams of THC. It's that little c**ktail. 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Like it's one thing to like. We're always really grateful to have any sort of guests on our like little podcast, but like to have a guest that is like our favorite character on a show is a dream come true. Amazing. And I'm just so I'm so excited to hear that you guys are sisters because I'm really close with my sister too, and her and I watch Real Housewives of Beverly Hills together. So that's like all Bravo like go to other than the below decks. And we both we both work in yachting, so I think that oh, you do. I'm really close with my sister, too. So it's so much fun to be back on this list of podcasts. Oh, we love being so sweet. Yes. So, so nice. Well, did you know that? Did you know the below deck is actually the top rated show on Bravo? I do. That's so exciting, and it's so much fun to be a part of it. What's crazy is is and China, I don't know if this you had the same experience, but I kind of always heard about below deck, but I didn't start watching it until until we had the opportunity to interview and I was like, OK, yeah, I would love to interview her. Let's watch the show. And I was like, Oh my gosh, this is the best show I've ever seen. My fiancee and I literally will watch seven episodes at a time and be like, It's three a.m. We have to go to bed, but we have to see what they're going to do and when the fire starts tomorrow, like, what are we going to do? So wait, you was spotted watching it recently. We watched all of below deck med like basically in the past, like two months. And I actually watched it. I watched it when I was in high school because I would nanny for these people and she would always have it recorded. Just regular below deck, not below deck med on. And I remember I wrote Captain Li, like, I remember loving it then and then I kind of dropped off and was only watching Real Housewives for a bit and then got caught up on Mediterranean. And I was like, I have been sleeping on this. Like, literally this. It's the most fast paced, like the drama is like nonstop every single episode. Oh my gosh. And that's how it is in real life. It's just nonstop. We in these like close quarters, like very confined. So you've got all these personalities and it's just like full on twenty four seven. It's like a little mini show. Yeah. Like, I feel like it's a combination of like camp and working and like in a restaurant job like all at once while simultaneously being filmed on a reality show like it's it's a clusterf**k for lack of a better word. Excuse my French. And then you throw in these like peekaboo, usually like over the top. Yes. Oh, it's like a recipe for trouble. It's so good. We have so many questions. Before we get into the show, we kind of want to bring it back a little bit. Learn more about you. Where did you grow up and how did you get into yachting? So it's really it's a really funny story. Well, maybe it's not that funny, but to me, it kind of is. I grew up in Africa. I saw, you know, a very far away from the from the place where the whole yachting scene takes place. I think more and more recently, there's been a lot more big yachts that dock in Cape Town in South Africa. But I grew up in a small coastal town called Ballito, which is in Durban. And yeah, I grew up there. I studied film and Cape Town after I'd finished school and one of my rooms that I was like sharing a digs with. We call it a day. I don't know what you guys call it in America, but it's kind of. Like your little housing establishment when you're studying, she she finished studying a year before me and she kind of someone had kind of said to, you know, you should get into this yachting world. So she did it just to make some some money to travel before getting into the big, wide working world. And when she was doing it like she had Kate Hudson on a boat and she was like, Oh, wow, oh my gosh, you are keen and Kate Hudson's bathroom and like cleaning a room because she in housekeeping and she was like, You have no idea this world I'm in. I've got these incredible guests on board, like all the rich and famous, and she's like, You have to do it. And I was I kind of said, there's no way I think I can really see myself, you know, like going from majoring in film to wanting to be like on the whole like film scene to then figuring out, maybe I'm going to go and clean people's bedrooms and bathrooms and kind of be full on service what all these people is like. I don't know if if I'm really going to be like up to the task. And she said, we'll just do it for a season and try a hand at it and whatnot and see what you think. And then, you know, you can just make some money to travel. And I was like, OK, I'm making the executive decision to fly to France to kind of go and walk the docks because this is this is how you did it when I started, which was about nine years ago. A lot of people still do it today. And otherwise, as agencies, you can kind of send your your resume into. But OK. I basically flew to France with one of my best friends and we had no idea what we were doing. We're like, OK, let's we did all our courses that you have to do. And it was really funny because before I arrived in France, my my passport was was stolen out of my bag. So I was in Dubai and we flew into France and I was like, Oh my gosh, I don't have a passport. Like, How am I going to get into this country? And as we arrived, I was like taken into into the customs and immigration, and all the police there were like, I'm so sorry, you don't have a possible to get into the country. We're going to have to send you back on this 12 hour flight to my gosh. And so I was like, OK, this is where I'm going to use my acting skills. From what I've learned, like this city and I just like started crying and I was like to the police, I was like, Oh my gosh, please, like, I'm on holiday here because you couldn't at that point legally like, look for a job right and wrong. And so I was just crying like, I'm here and I'm here on holiday. I just want to like four songs and like the French culture. And they were like, Oh, no, I was like, This is the first time I've ever been away from home, and I was just crying. And so my dad posted a copy of my passport like by email, and these these two French customs guys were like, OK, this poor girl is literally on holiday like litter. And so they're like, Let me in. It was crazy without a passport. And it was. That's insane. My gosh, I have to hustle now. This is this. Is it right? I arrived at a crew house, which was absolutely like, I did not enjoy it at all. It was all like communicating with bunk beds with all these like wannabe bodies that were trying to look for jobs and everyone had to share this one big bathroom. And I think I cried my eyes out for like two. But I was like, Here I am like, you know, like in this beautiful country and I'm like crying. And all I wanted to do was go home. And then I was. My parents were just like, You need a man up. So I like, put my big girl panties on and was like, OK, I'm going on. I need to find a job. And I landed a job within two weeks, which was like after running up and down the docks in Monaco, like handing out my resume. Like, Please, can I just come clean a bathroom show you want? I've God. Eventually, this yacht, it was like an 80 meet a yacht with twenty crew. They they employed me, and I kind of hadn't even told them I didn't have a passport. I was like, which? Obviously you need to travel so much like I was like hustling hard and they employ me. And then eventually I was like, Look, I have to be honest with you, I've lost my passport. It's being paid for. Oh my gosh. I was like, I'm never going to give this one because it's like 30 yards. Like, you know, just like me looking for a job here, right here with passports. And the captains were so wonderful they were like, Don't worry, as long as you can get a passport within two weeks and get back to us in Barcelona and Spain. You've got the job. So I was like, on the next flight, I had like a three train ride. Typekit flew back to South Africa. Oh my God, my school got a new visa, flew back to Spain literally with all within 48 to 72 hours and I landed my first job on this on this edgy need a yard as like a junior junior Stewart. So I got very lucky. But it was it was a wild ride. That is that is insane. Oh my gosh, I cannot even imagine the stress of that experience also like landing an 80 metre like, is that like a big that's a that's obviously like how big the Wellington is, right? Oh, it's it's bigger than the well, it's bigger, really. It's like the Wellington. I'm trying to think in feet. It must be like the Wellington woman just under two hundred feet and an 80 meters like 200. And I'm going to sound really silly if I say this and it's not right. But I like the Wellington and we have nine crew on and this 80 meter we had twenty one. Oh my gosh, twenty one crew. And is it a charter like they're like, it's people coming for like four days at a time? Or how does that work? Yeah. So it was full on charter. We had people coming on for like seven days to 14 days. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Two week charter at times. Two Oh my gosh. I've had like I've had like a six day to a month charter before, you know? See, that's one of the things that I think is really interesting because, you know, with below deck and below deck med, the guests are getting kind of an insane deal and and they're kind of probably and I'm curious, are this they're kind of probably not exactly the clientele that's legit yachting without consenting to being found. And all of that. Is that true? Like, is it like a different echelon of people that are like the below deck guest charter guest stars and then like the real, like the regular charter guests? I mean, it's so funny because you get very similar to what you get on below deck. You do get the feeling was like, that's no joke. Like they, you know, I think on on below deck the people who are willing to be filmed there, obviously a little bit more authentic because I'm a charter yachts, you know, we we sign nondisclosure is for what you can and consent. And obviously, you're not allowed to say anything because a lot of these people charter these boats and it's absolute privacy and they like to have the privacy. So, you know, it's like I always imagined myself going on a yacht and I'm like, Oh my gosh, I would never want, like all these crew, we see everything. Yeah, we like unpack the bags. We like, unpack the underwear, you know, we see absolutely everything the bathrooms, the way they keep things. So, you know, on these yachts, that's a big part of of being a crew member is being very private for the guests that you you kind of catering to. Can you say what the craziest some of like the craziest things you've seen? Obviously not saying who like the, you know, not telling you. So it was like, you know, James Baldwin of, you know, of 116 or whatever. Oh my gosh. In terms of like crazy. So I've been very lucky on all the yachts that I've worked on. I've worked for like because a lot of the boats will work for somebody who owns the yacht and then they'll title the yacht. All right. So sometimes you'll have the owner on and then a lot of the times it will just be like random guess like for a week or two at a time. But I've been lucky for the people, like with the people that I've worked with. They've always been like, so respectful, so lovely, like really treat the crew like family. But yeah, like incredible. Like, I've been super lucky. A lot of people that are like, I'm friends with your industry haven't been so lucky, and they've had like crazy owners that just like, work them nonstop, like, you know, not like, don't really want to see the crew at all like you and be so stealthy. But like, you know, you have to not be seen. And that's kind of how I was trained when I when I joined the industry was like the people who charter these boats or own the boats don't want to see you. So you have to be like. And that's that's the funny thing. When I started as a junior junior Stewart, it was like every time somebody went to the bathroom, we had to like, sneak into the bathroom, clean it up, like refill the toilet paper like nobody had ever been in there. So that was kind of like, that's how it is. Like, twenty four seven, you have to like. It just has to seem like no one's even touched the sink like that. Can't be any water anyway. No, no. Miramax, it's crazy. But in terms of like, crazy crazy Todd, I guess I've had a lot. A lot of people who are like, party hard. I'm trying to think of like an exact story where I think, like most recently, I've had somebody like actually like woke up and like, yell in my face and I was like, up against the wall. Oh, oh my gosh. And they were like, they just really didn't like the food. And like, just everything was just like, wrong. And I've had that. So I've had very confrontational guests where, you know, they've just been very, like, in-your-face, and I don't really respect the crew as much. But then I've also had some really, really fun, crazy games that just stay up and. A lot of people I've chatted with just love, like all these wild theme theme nights, and they go crazy all out on all their outfits, and some like what you see on the show like happens in real life with toddlers. Interesting, interesting. And so like, OK, so like when you when when someone's like yelling in your face, like, how do you even like handle that situation? I mean, because one of the things I think is interesting on below deck med is it just seems like you guys are crazy, short staffed. Like it just seems like there actually needs to be a sous chef. There probably should be another stewardess like it just doesn't seem like the staff fits the expectations. And so I'm curious, like, does that seem accurate to you? If there's like twenty one crew on a boat, that's like somewhat similar to the Wellington, why is there like 10 crew on the Wellington? So like I think, I think it causes a lot more drama to be on us to be short staffed. But again, it's like realistic this so many times you'll be like, have a say like, have a crew of 15 and all of a sudden like someone resigns at the drop of a hat before a charter and like then, like two people decide to resign on the same day. And all of a sudden, and you like super shortstop like I've. I've done a charter before where I've had like a team of like four girls and then Teresa. And like just before charter, I've had to run the charter with two girls. Like it? Definitely it like ups the ante and creates so much stress and creates so much pressure. And that's like where all the fights stop breaking out with people. I get irritated with one another. This person's working harder than that person. We're like all the drama unfold. So I have to say, like a lot of the time, this can be like really, really realistic to what goes on on the show. Gotcha. Gotcha. OK, so but do you think the show is a little bit short staffed on purpose? That's a hard one to say, but I will say that on the Willington, that size of the Wellington, you usually would have a sous chef. Yeah, because it just doesn't make sense that people can ask for whatever they want. And there's one person cooking for everyone. And I expect it to be like out and hot in 10 minutes. Like, Why are they wrong? Right? And again, it's like, it completely depends on the can tell. You have, like sometimes you have very respectful guys that come on and they're like, OK, breakfast is in the morning break. This is done. We're going to go out in the water now and like in the water with the water sports, the jet skis. And then we all have like in the interior to have time to like, regroup and like plan for like lunch and then plan for dinner. But then you get these like crazy days that just eat all day and they just want really much out of the charter and possibly can. You know what I mean? They've like they paid for the trip, so they kind of can request whatever they want. So you do get the people that just want absolutely like food flowing all day long, drinks flowing all day long. And that's what kind of makes it difficult for for like the interior and the chef to kind of, you know, stay on top of it all. Well, that was that was one of the one of the other questions I had was like, How on earth are you supposed to be doing all this stuff? And it's like, Hey, we also had like a 17th century renaissance night, you know, and the next two hours, like, how about a birthday cake? Why I'm show and show you what's like on memes on season five with Tom, where we were having we were having like we had these dates on. I can't remember which chart it was, and all of a sudden we were supposed to plan like the birthday party for the for the one night. And on the first night they were like, Oh no, let's change and have the birthday cake tonight. And it was like three hours before dinner and all I had to go and tell time, like, Hey, you need to make a cake for tonight? And he's like, OK. And on top of doing this, and I think that's what makes my job as a chief stewardess so hard is like, you have to be the, you know, the go between the guests and the chefs. Oh, the passenger, the mason jar. Oh my gosh. And the amount of times like, you know, I'm on the chef side. Obviously, we're a team, but the amount of times I have to deliver this news and like make sure at like we execute on it is so difficult because the chef, like usually 100 percent of the time, takes it out on me, right? Yeah, you're the punching bag. Well, this is my question is like, I think a lot of the drama that we see like honestly revolves around the chef. Like, Do you think it's it's it's just hard to find good chefs and like the audio industry, you are just like multifaceted and can just like handle all the needs like. Or do you think it's just like the guests are too picky all the time? And, you know, it's just like a bad situation. I mean, I think just being picky like comes with the territory. Yeah, no. And especially on the show, I think obviously, because a lot of the guests are being seen, I feel like a lot of the time they want to make it that much more difficult for the crew. Want to see you not succeed, and I'm not saying, like all of the gays, but like a lot of them, you can just tell that they just trying to be extra difficult. I remember like even how we have the preferential meetings. Yeah, right. And someone will come on and they'll be like, Yeah, I'm gluten intolerance and I'm dairy free and I'm vegan and all of this. And then like 10 c**ktails later, they're like, Give me a toasted cheese and you're like, I don't know what bread it's on, and you're like, Well, aren't you gluten free? I'm like, Yeah, and all of a sudden you're like, OK, well, and the next day they go back to like, I'm not eating that Caesar salad because it's croutons and what I mean. So it's it's such a juggling game, and you just I always call it the stew phase where you just have to put that stew face on. And this is what I always like. It always seems like you're always acting a lot of the time because you just have to like, go with them. And I think that makes like a stewardess so like successful in the industry is being able to adapt. And you know, you'll be I think it's like very famous, like Hannah on the show where you'll see her like smiling and then she turns around and she's like rolling her eyes. Like, Totally, we all do that. So I just, you know, you, Bugsy. Like, I was watching it with my boyfriend this past week, and he was like, the guests always call up Bugsy by name. That was like the staff was great. Bugsy was amazing, like your face-to-face and like your ability to just be like likable, like you would just vibe so well with the guests. Whereas I feel like, you know, even Hannah, like, I feel like the guest could feel her energy. Hannah took off, right? Exactly right. I mean, like, I think even on season five, you can just see, like Hannah's not like her head's not there anymore. She's not into it. But I think I think for me, I like I thrive. Like, even when you say, like, you know, vibe off the case, I really do. I think it's like, so funny. It's almost like a game to me sometimes when it's kind of like, you know, how can I, how can I respond to these guys today and just keep it so like light and up there? Because essentially, you know, we we as a crew wanting like a good tip. So like, you know, the more, the more you give them and the more like you vibe with the energy, whether it's like good energy or bad energy, the more you like, kill them with kindness a lot of the time, the more they they eventually come around. And it's kind of fun. I always see it as like a challenge, like, how am I going to make me like super like like all the crew by the end of this, because a lot of people go out of their way to be like super b***hy or just like be mean and try and like, really knock you down. And yeah, I really I see it as like a challenge, like I'm really going to make these people like us by the end of this trip. I mean, I feel like that's that's like such a good way to look at it because otherwise you could take it so personally and let your ego get involved. And then it's like you can completely spiral, right? So but I mean, it makes for good TV, right? When you see the stewardess like, Oh my gosh, these people, because that's the truth. And that's why I kind of waited for my interviews to kind of lit up. OK, that's a dream. That's another question I had. How does the interviews work with this show? Because it's obviously like, you're obviously not, you know, like someone doesn't ask you for an espresso martini and then you, like, go down and do like a ten minute interview about how annoying this is. Like, that's not going to work. So is it after the fact? And if it's after the fact, how do you drum up the emotion of like that experience because it does seem in the moment? Right. So I mean, like again, like I said, I think below deck is so good at capturing the real life of what you are doing is and I have to give it to to the show because they really, really capture it like in all its essence where, you know, a lot of what's that like on on the show? And I say like yachties, because that's like what we call ourselves. A lot of them give the show grief because they're like, Oh my gosh, it's not even like that. And I'm like, Yes, it is. It's like sometimes tenfold in real life compared to the show. But like I said, like we, I think the reason they are able to capture it so well is that they don't like get involved with anything that we doing. We work, we, you know, we play hard, we go out like you would do on any yacht. And I think the fact that they don't interfere is what gives it so much truth. So like at the end of every charter, they'll they'll have questions for us. And then, gotcha, we'll kind of like go into it and then coming back to how we like drum up the emotion. I think it's just so ingrained in us because you're taking everything in as it's happening, because it's happening so realistically in real life and it's just so easy to like, remember, oh my gosh, this is how that guy like made me feel when you read a harness racing similar these. I mean, it must be like almost going to therapy after and getting to, like expunge all of your emotions. One hundred percent. It's like completely like that. And then I think when I did season to, I was like so much more afraid because I knew like, Oh my gosh, these guys are going to like, see this? And like, What are they going to eat? What are they going to say about me? Like, You know what I mean? Like, Oh, say to me, are they going to come after me for being like this? But you know, I think again, going back to the fact that it is so well depicted, like in terms of reality, I don't know how a lot of other reality shows work, but this is this is true to the core of life, you know, really being able to like sponge and let loose on how these people have have been behaving right. How do have you? Oh, go ahead, Jim. I mean, so like I the logistical question like how many camera crew people are there and where do they sleep? Like, I had this moment where I was like, Oh, wait, a second, someone's like literally filming in this tiny, tight hallway. Like, there must be a huge camera. Like, how do they even function on the ship? OK, so I can't give away too many details, but I won't lie. I will tell you that, like the cameraman does not sleep in my in my bunk bed now for sleep. And yeah, there's there's somebody with you all the time. So right, like again, like I'll say, I just I have so much respect for the camera crew because, you know, can you imagine being a camera person with like a camera walking around like moving borrowed half the time? We like going through like rough seas and you've got like me, I'm super fast. Like when I'm when I work. So I felt so bad because I'm like, I'm still going to do my job just as I do it on any boat and the like. Half the time. I'm like shoving past the camera person and they're like, Oh my God, she comes back. She's like a tornado. I reckon I'm going to like the TV to be in line to capture everything that's going on. So hats off to them. They've got a great like, you know, they're really good at their jobs. Yeah, you don't have to answer this if you can't. But this is a random question. But does the chef feed them to? No, the ship doesn't feed the camera crew. Oh, gotcha, OK. OK. What was it like like is, you know, a yacht. So they kind of cater to the gas and the crew like the actual crew, right? Because the chef has to make food for the crew too, right? Yeah, that's what makes that's what makes their job so hot. And like I was saying on the Willington, like, I've worked on a boat again, as I was saying, like, you would typically have a sous chef on that size, but then it's just like, not it's not in our budget, too. So that like, we'll have to take on the meals for all the crew and whatnot. But if you do happen to have a sous chef, they'll do like the crew food. Gotcha. Gotcha. OK, that makes sense. Here's my other question about that. Like, does your tip? Like, is there any incentive to just keep the crew a little bit smaller so that your tips are bigger? Or do you feel like the tips really do scale? I mean, I think if you've got like the tips like predominantly in the industry, I'm like even on the show, all like shared equally. But what I like with regards to keeping the crew smaller, I think if you've got like a really, I know a lot of boats that have like very tight knit crew that just kind of do a little bit of everyone's jobs and then they come off with a bit of tip because it's shared equally, right? But the most part, like in terms of like marine law and all that, you have to have a certain like manning requirement on the yacht. And so you have to have a certain amount of crew, right? Gotcha. We I have a question kind of going back to the guests, have you ever heard of or have you ever experienced like a guest seeing the show, seeing when one of the cast members basically called them like trashy or like, made fun of them and like getting mad and like deeming that person or anything like that? I have first hand experience of receiving not, you know, what can you tell us about it? Lauren, I I'm starting to get back into a routine of bingeing shows, and some of these shows are a little dark, a little intense, and I got to take the edge off, frankly. So you might like she does. Yeah, you might find me getting into a bottle of pinot noir from spade and sparrows. You know, honestly, whatever helps baby been doing two things at once. I love it, right? I am a beverage enthusiast, and this definitely includes wine. Definitely include spade and sparrows. I love spade and sparrows because not only does it taste delicious, but it looks so cute on my counter. 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It wasn't that it wasn't the most recent season, but there was like someone I made like a comment. I cannot even remember the comments, but it came back and was like, Oh my gosh, how could you say this about me? This is not correct. Like, this is not who I am, and I'm like, OK, dude, like, you were the one who chose to portray yourself that way, whether it's you or not. I was just commenting on what was realistically happening right and how you made me feel. OK, well, I kind of like speaking to that. I'm speaking to like a guest or a cast member being able to witness their own behavior and then maybe learn from that and own up to it. One of the most fascinating things for me was, you know, Hannah acted really egregiously in my opinion on season two, and she she really slacked off from what I could see. Obviously, I'm not there. But if if the show is real or a true account, then yeah, you know, there were some huge issues with her management and her, you know, her slacking off and all of that. And I kind of thought, OK, the three years or a lot of time is going to go by between season two and season five. She's going to see that behavior. She's probably going to apologize to Bugsy, you know, and and have like, you know, I like, learned from it. So I thought it was so interesting when she had not at all learned from her behavior, not at all. Taking any ownership still held a grudge against you for calling her out. I mean, was that was. Not all totally real or was not like, I don't know, I'm just so fascinated by this Hanna situation. Yeah, 100 percent. I think like I've said it before, but in a way I kind of regret it. So I worked as a chief stew before I worked as her second stew on something to so and a lot of people here. And when I was chief stew and I was just like, that was a lot in all my interviews. But I think that was a hard thing for her, like me coming in and I'm quite like a strong character and know and know how to do my job. That was all realistic the way it played out. And I think for me, you know, I I'm a very I don't like confrontation. Like, if it's not necessary. But it just went too far with Hannah, and I felt like she was taking the piss a lot on season two. And she just kind of slacked off a lot. And then there was the whole thing with the chart against and the iPad and all. Yeah, and I was just like, This is so unprofessional and this does not happen. And I was like, If I'm going to leave the season without saying something to her, like for my own character, I'm going to be like, you know, I'm not going to feel good about it because I really do like you saying, I think people need to learn from their mistakes. And I've kind of always had that mentality. Like if somebody feels like I'm not like pulling my weight or doing something, I'd prefer them come and tell me to my face. And so I actually, like, realize where I can kind of, you know, like step up to the plate and correct whatever I'm doing wrong. But that whole thing between Hannah and I like full Unreal continued, You know, when I came back on season five, you saw her face. When Sandi announced I was coming back, she was just like, What was like that for me? You know, like was one of the funniest parts and the whole below like history that I've ever seen was Hannah's face when she heard I was coming back. Well, she was kind of like the anti Adam like Adam came back, knew that he had really screwed up with the onion situation with onion gate and and really wanted to prove himself like that. He could do it, that he was going to like. He did the opposite. He took ownership and really excelled. But Hannah just seemed to like, no, do do the complete opposite of Adam. Just like Spiral continually. Never get any better. Just get continually worse. And this brings me to two things. I'm sorry, Jen. Go ahead. I'm just going to say I feel like I get continually worse. But also her ego continues to just like, get inflated as well as her experience grew. And so it's like this terrible situation. Oh, yeah, for sure. Question for you. Do you do you remember? Can you just tell us how you were feeling during the onion situation? Because that's probably what some of the best television I've ever seen in my life? Yes. Like what? During which part? Like when? When it actually happened, when Adam was like doing that? Or, yeah, like, OK. So for our listeners who haven't who haven't watched the show, so the chef purposefully puts onions into the food of guests who have specifically called out that they do not want onions, and the chef does it once and the and the people get mad. And then he does it again the next day on purpose. And it's like, Yeah, I mean it to me, it's the biggest kind of f you so disrespectful would be so infuriating if this guy was like if I was having to work with this guy. So I'm curious how you felt in the moment. So it's like funny, because I remember like thinking, this is going to be a joke, right? Like, he didn't actually do that. I was like, I'm pretty sure he's just like joking. Like, I really never really, you know, I never thought that a chef could go out of their way to be so spiteful. So I kind of when he's like, yeah, put onions. And then I was like, Oh, no, he's funny, joking and then watching it back. I was horrified. I was kind of like, What in the world is like going on here? Like, what? What kind of person does that? But then when he when he was doing it, I remember, like, because it wasn't my place, like I wasn't chief stew. And I kept trying to like home myself back because I'm like, OK, remember Hannah's the chief stew? She's got to deal with this. And I'm like saying to her, Yeah, like, I think he just did that and kind of left it to her to kind of like sort out between him and her. But I was definitely horrified and and I did think in the beginning it had to be a joke. I was like, There's no way this guy's like literally gone out and being so spiteful. I mean, OK, so this actually brings me to another question, and I think maybe it was actually more stressful to watch, like you said, to watch it back because you can actually see him doing it on purpose and like mincing the onions before they go into the set. Like, it's not like obviously when you're in the moment, you're like running around doing other stuff. So but this raises another question which is like, obviously, Adam comes back after that, and then Hannah also gets continually rehired. And do you feel like Captain Sandy actually hired them back or like, hired Hannah back or do? Especially after Hannah's, you know, like lack of performance? Or do you feel like it was a casting decision? And that's why Hannah came back so many times? To be honest, I don't really know the ins and outs of that. But like what I will say is like, you know, I know Sandy and the way that I think, you know, on personal accounts where we've talked about certain situations, she's always one to give a second chance, OK? I kind of felt like she kept like having so much. I just kept loving faith and Hannah to maybe, like, step up her game and kind of feel like she just kept giving her the chance to be like, Come on, Hannah, like, just show them what you got. Come on. And because I know that's Sandy's character, she always wants to, like, pull out the base in people. And I think by season five, she's just like, look icon anymore. Like, I just can't. I mean, like watching Captain Sandy's journey from season two to season five is like watching like like an eighteen year old on the dating scene versus like a 40 year old on the dating scene. Like, like just the amount of like she becomes so jaded, she becomes, like, so incredibly callous and like in such a more, it's so filled with like intensity and so much more of a boss in certain ways. And that was really interesting to witness. I mean, but I'm obsessed with it, though, like I'm obsessed with me a long time ago, like throughout. I mean, she does become a little bit more. She just becomes more stern. I think she doesn't take as much like it from everybody, but she's like, I mean, I just want to know, like, you obviously have a personal relationship with her, like, what is she like? She's so phenomenal. We're obsessed with her, like, literally go to her church if she started a religion. Yes, I absolutely love that. I think Sandy is like such a boss. You know, like I know a lot of the time, you know, like people see her in different lights on the show because you can't show everything all the time. And I think that, you know, she is such a badass and, like you say, going from season to to season five, her her character development is so crazy. You know, I think she when you when you're a captain, you kind of employ people to kind of know what they doing. So I think in the beginning, she's like, OK, I'm going to have my crew. I'm just going to like, let them all be. And I think as the seasons rolled in and again, like, truthful to yachting, you get a lot of people that maybe don't maybe a lot of the time. And have the experience that they say they do and like she's got to put up with it and train them and show them, but for the most part, I can just say she is a very like, kind and supportive person if you willing to give her your time. And if you're willing to like, kind of, you know, accept what she's going to say to you. Yeah, I mean, to watch. She just seems like such a strong person with so much integrity and such a good kind person that like sees the best in people wants them to succeed. She's just so like sincere. And I don't know, just honestly like seems like such a good human being. But it was kind of it was funny and kind of sad to see, like the way that she, she may be like, had less faith in yacht crews during season five, at least than during season two, for sure. Right. And I think also like, you know, I think she she means well and a lot of the time, like people, people don't really get her sense of humor. She's got like a really wacky sense of humor. So really, yeah, she's like, she's so funny. She's like as much as she's like a very like, she's a phenomenal captain and a lot of the time. And she, like, does her job well. But she's also got like a very like childlike side to her where she just like likes to have fun and loves a good laugh. And I think sometimes people see, like, not a lot of people can understand that side of her. So I think that's where, you know, sometimes it doesn't come across as well as it should on camera. And I think, you know, she got a lot of flack for when she led Hannah on season five. So I felt like I felt bad for her because she means well and she's just doing her job. But isn't she just like abiding by maritime law? Also seemed to me like such, such a clear cut situation where she had given also like leading up to it. She'd given Hannah so many chances to prove herself. And then she just and then, you know, there was this like serious issue that Hannah clearly didn't care about or, you know, she can prove out that she had a prescription to the volume or anything. It just seems super clear cut to me. That's sad that she got a lot of hate for that, for sure. I mean, like, that's what I think a lot of viewers don't understand. Like, it's we are filming realistically what goes on and in like maritime law with yachts, there are these certain procedures and certain laws you have to follow. But I think like maybe, maybe where it didn't come off so well when she had this done and how it all unfolded was, you know, on top of the fact that she had to do her job. And you can't have somebody on a yacht like dealing with these high end gays and dealing with the crew. It's like our safety, too. You can't have somebody like, you know, not one hundred percent like with it, you know, even tried medication. And I I'm so interesting on this huge advocate for mental health, and I know a lot of people that obviously take meds like the yachting industry doesn't discriminate, you know, if you have mental health issues or anything. But it's like she said, like as long as you go and reported to the captain so that they are aware and they can most wanted to the person's safety as well as the crew and the guests. Yeah, like her, her delivery of, you know, letting Hannah go didn't come off as well to viewers. But just because of the fact that she had been dealing with Hannah for so long and there was like emotion involved and just like going on how much time she'd given Hannah and like Howard, in a way, it just kind of being thrown back in her face. Well, and this wasn't like the third stew or anything like this was her chief stew, right? Which is someone that you want to have like, you know, a hundred percent like faith, then right and right? Yeah. What are the rules of? That was another thing that I like another kind of relationship with. I thought that I thought was interesting, almost because, like Captain Sandy, she really like the buck stops with her. And if the dinner isn't good, she acts like she's going to get in trouble. That's like the level of panic I feel like Captain Sandy has when something doesn't go well with the interior. And so I thought, I have a question for you. Like, is the captain the one who honestly gets in trouble if a bunch of charter guests have bad experiences? Is that why she gets all freaked out? Oh, for sure. I mean, like the crew reflects like on the captain rides. So like the captains, the head, the head of the of the ship, obviously. So they kind of everything the buck stops with them. And like you say with Sandy, it's kind of like all the complaints are going to go to the captain about the crew because they're the ones who are solely responsible for the way that the crew like behave and how they treat the guests and how the food is so. Yeah, it's a huge responsibility on her shoulders. That's why it's so important for captains to have like crew who know what they doing and take pride in what they do. I just feel like nothing makes me sweat more than when the guests are cutting into their steak. And Captain Sandy is just like feet away, just like waiting with bated breath for them to say that it's good or not. And then she'll walk back into the interior like they love the food. Or she'll be like the steaks, the steaks undercooked, like you need to cook it again. Like, that's the most stressful moment of every charter for me. One hundred percent. And I think it brings I think it brings so much trauma. Like I will say, though, that Sandy is one of the first captains I've ever seen that lingers around the. When this happens, I think it brings so much like, yeah, like a summer race to the hole and a drop for the whole thing, because when I watch it back to, I'm like also like watching Sandy's face as they cut again. Oh my gosh. So. The question I ask is like, let's say there are a bunch of complaints. It's not like the owner of the yacht is going to get mad at the chief stew and be like, Well, the the boat was driven safely. So the captain, I'm not mad at the captain. I'm out of the chief stew. Is it a situation where essentially like the only person they're in contact with is is is the captain. So the captain takes all the flack at the end of the day too. I mean, for sure. But I think a lot of the time, like I've been in situations where, like, there's been a complaint about the chef and it's all being about the ship's food, or it's being like the the service from the interior and the the stewardesses haven't been up to scratch. Then a lot of the time they'll be like, Look, captain, it's not. You're it's, you know, the food, which is predominantly the chef or it's the servers, which are the girls or, you know, none of the water toys like the jet skis broken and then like falls on the on the chief officer on the deck side of things. So there definitely is accountability for various heads of department. But like, you know, if it's like an all round trip way, just like everything's going wrong and it will eventually fall on the captain. Gotcha. Gotcha. Another question I have is you guys get you guys work nonstop, like for days on end on these charters and then you guys dock there, done clamp the boat and then you go to the club and start partying. And my question is, are you guys all on cocaine? Like, How is that possible, Chandler? I would need to be like in a vegetative state for at least twenty four hours to recoup, to recuperate and recover. Like, how do you like to do an IV drip? I think it should be mandatory to have an IV drip on over the cruise one of day. Like, I could definitely do that. I think, you know, for the crew, it's like we all get on napkins straight after we can clean the bar, we get a quick nap in and then we're like, It's our only shot at freedom. Like we have to out and like, got a bottle of wine each or whatever. Yeah, but I will say the hangover the next day is not ideal, especially when you have to flip the board. And I think that was one of the things I I learned. I have like so much strength and like working with a hangover from doing the dig, especially season five, because I have never been so blackout. Like in terms of like when we were, we went to the one club. I think you saw when I when I was in the hot tub with Alex, I was like, So and I was like, the next, says producers. I was like, I've never been up like out of my life. I have that captured on camera, like, like the sense of scaries I've ever had. You were great. Honestly, it was just like adorable. Like you guys being in the Jacuzzi that was ice cold. And Malia was like, You know, it's cold, right? I mean, did you see my outfit? I was like, what? Like what on earth possessed me to win? Was literally wearing a full one piece with my waist and striped shorts. I was like, I call the fashion police. After I saw that, it was like, What I want to like you're like on TV. I'm like, I don't know what, but I like to fly the Vegas like grandma. Look, and my gosh, let's ride. So it's like you're trying to impress a cute guy and you're like going full out and grandma like swimsuit section. Oh my gosh. OK, another question I have, and this might be something, and we can edit out whatever. So if you're like, Oh, I shouldn't have said that or I don't talk about this, we can edit it out. So no pressure. But I'm super curious, what's the money situation like? Like if you're a stewardess, if you're like, like, like, what's the normal amount of seasons to do? A year like the season is six weeks, right? So a season like like obviously again, because below deck, you know, you have to you have to shoot it like in such a short time because otherwise it would just go on forever and ever. But an actual yachting season would be for the Caribbean would start like, let's say, October like October Ash and go all the way through to like February. Mm hmm. And then, like the Mediterranean season predominantly starts like May, June and goes all the way through like the summer into like, maybe September. Oh wow, we're looking at a good solid couple of months. And like, depending depending on what what you want, you're on like if you have, like, bad. To bacterias, the money is like so good, because you just like nonstop getting tipped right? You know, a lot of people opt to just work for private yachts where they only work for the owner and a lot of the times they just make their standard salary and don't necessarily get to. Some owners are very generous and due to the crew. But I would say, like if you're on a good like charter yacht and you do like a full made season, you can make bank like serious thing. Like what serious bank like, I would say, coming off of a good Mediterranean season. You could like with your salary and everything you could walk away with, like 50 50. That's amazing. That's insane. Are you giving you like an average? You know what I got? Yeah, right? More or less. But I'm going to say like 50k for a couple months back to back chartered's like whatever you can. Yeah, you can do all. So theoretically, you could do two of those a year and then have like also like four to five months off a year as well. For sure. And I think that's that's what's becoming very popular in the auto industry is, you know, there's there's very I think it's like it's really rare to get like a very solid good crew, especially because like an owner who owns a bar, they want to have the best crew in industry if they're going to charter it because it makes people want to charter, they boat more. So a lot of a lot of owners have a solid good. Crew have started implementing like a rotation where people will, like, work three months on and get one month of paid. Wow. Just so they can keep them to know that they're going to come back so they can keep them like, you know, and then like, that's where you get like a lot of longevity with crew. They're like, stay on for like three four years and work their way from like junior studios to chief stewardess or junior like Dakin to captain. So there's a lot of good incentives out there for for yacht crew these days. This is literally making me want to leave corporate America like tomorrow. But I will look like they are definitely like cons like in terms of like pros and cons, like I would say, the cons are like you don't really have a very like, sustainable, stable lifestyle, like if you're going to be doing that. So you have to really kind of see what you want out of out of life and out of yachting because you don't like it on a rotational boat, you're like on the yacht, like moving from country to country or like across like the Atlantic, twice a year for the maid or the Caribbean season. And you don't get to see your family. You don't necessarily have a solid friend group you if you're looking to settle down, get married and have kids, it's not always so viable. Right, right. We definitely they're definitely pros and cons to it. Not a you to leave for like people in the cheap, too. Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah. It's all about what you want. That's why when I've taken the break to do my book and like, pursue something that I'm passionate about. And then like at some point, if I want to get back on a boat like which I probably will like, I'll go and do that. OK, yeah, that was one of our listener questions was like, will you return like to a below deck if you can stay? At the moment, I'm just taking a bit of a break. Yeah, we'll see to focus on my book. But if the opportunity came up, like for sure, like absolutely love below deck, like the whole thing going on. And that's why I think I think why I'm so drawn to the show, like a lot of like I was saying, a lot of yachties will be like, Oh no, if you go on that show, it's not good for your career. It's kind of like because a lot of people think it's just so much drama and they don't necessarily want crew on their boat that just want to be on a reality show. But the reason I like would definitely do it again is just the fact that I do. I think it's so realistic to what it is, and I think it in a way it kind of gives the rest the world an idea into this world that, you know, I didn't even know a lot about. And now, like a lot of my friends and family can watch it and be like, Oh, that's what you do, and you're like, Yeah, now you can see my work. Yeah, I mean, it's it's amazing to watch and I am kind of dying to know like, who? Who do you still hang with? Who are you still like good friends with from your seasons? So like, obviously, Sandi, like I got it four of my of my book. So her and I was like, She's a massive inspiration to me just because I think she's a great leader. And then I still hang with Alex. Amelia still keep in touch with Jess Rob, who also like I've spoken to Kiko. I think Iran on the on the show that Asia, I still speak to every now. And you know, it's again, it's like the yachting world, like you. You meet these people. They were. Come you family for like, however long you work with them and then you always remain in touch, which is cool, even if you don't see them for like a year or two? Like, you just pick up where you left off right and it's like, you guys have been in a war together a little bit. The song, right? Well, we go through so much together. Well, that's such a good metaphor for a chance because I do feel like it's probably like even if you saw that person in 20 years, you'd be like, Oh my gosh, do you remember when they complained about the asparagus? Like, I just feel like it's like, so, so, so many strong memories show me like bump into days like and like, I know Alex saw a bunch of the guys at Atlantis and he phoned me up and he's like, You'll never guess they're always just words. And I'm like, Oh my gosh, yeah. So it's like I was the best. He was so great. He's awesome. Many so funny. Someone wanted to know how and for I'm just going to assume this is like, basically you can't. But someone wants to know how you maintain a healthy lifestyle or fitness routine onboard your yoga classes still on board? Yeah, I mean, like one of the few times when you docked, like if we're like a dock, which is, you know, in a port for a certain amount of time, like, I'm a big runner. So I love like I love running. And if I get the chance to do it, some yachts actually have gems on board where the owners let the crew use the gym, which is a big deal because I also feel like I feel like yachting is also in a way. It's quite a it's quite a superficial industry and the fact that the, you know, they like the crew to look good. Yeah, yeah. And I've like crew that are in shape looking good. There's also I get a lot of my fitness in with the steps that I run up and down to surf. Thirdly, I always cool that like my chart of fitness because I can run as much as I want and go to the gym and whatnot and then get back on a yacht and be like, Oh my gosh, I'm so out of charter shape because it's like a interesting, different fitness. And like, my knees kill me when I'm up and down those stairs so much, right? Because you are like, I have a Garmin that tracks my steps and I'm doing like thousands of steps a day. I'm just like, Yeah, like, what's? What's the number of steps on, like a busy charter per day? I've done like twelve thousand. Oh my God, especially given what tight quarters it in it is. That's really like back and forth. I don't even I've told thousands of like to be honest, but like, I think it is. Yeah, it's a lot. It's it's a lot. Yeah, I can sometimes do twelve thousand because it's in such a small, confined space as well. But like especially for like a service like a lot of the points of words, we have these things called dumb waiters like they like those elevators that you can, yeah, you like pull like a pulley system, right? Pretty much so. You can see like the food up to to the top deck, but I'm such I'm such a like intense chief stew with. I'm like, No, I'm not using that. We're using is like everything. We'll need to fit in these squats and we need to look good. So we're using the stick. OK, a few more questions. Someone wants to know what is the chief engineer in first mate do all day? So I like I know like below deck doesn't show them as much as like they they like, perform very vital roles on the board, like without it, without a chief engineer and the chief officer. You basically the boycott moves. So, you know, I think a lot of this, I think the reason they don't show the engineers much is because a lot of the time they doing behind the scenes work where they like sitting down in the engine room, making sure the engines are running. Whenever the boat has to move, the captain gets the engineer to start up the engines and then they kind of maintain them, make sure everything's running smoothly. They also get called on when the lights are like if a bulbs out and have to come and do all the like nitty gritty interior work, which they get so irritated with, like when chief steward is like, Oh, the toilets broken again, you can fix it. So they literally have like a wide spectrum of like making sure this multimillion dollar yacht is working to like fixing a broken taillight like they do and then the services like pretty good out of the cap. No, no, no. I was just going to say that, Chief Officer. Yeah, pretty much does like or the chart work or way the way the boat's going to go and like a lot of the time, maintains like all the health and safety onboard and does all the behind the scenes stuff with with maritime law. Well, that's what the yoga class and she leaves the engine because when said any let go of Hannah look, she had pulled the first officer up who had never seen before on the season to witness the whole thing and make sure it was going right, right? Right. So like, yeah, the first officer will be like very heavily involved, like that was. Get very involved in drug tests onboard, and because we have like a zero tolerance on on the boat like in terms of when we're working with Gates and all of that like this zero tolerance for like drugs and alcohol like which sounds a bit crazy because the crew will go out and drink, but that's like off the yacht. The minute you bring it on, the yacht is where there's a problem. Yeah, but not alcohol, right? Like they drink on board. I mean, I technically like, I cannot be like on the job drinking. Yeah. Oh no, no, you're right. But like the guests are allowed to drink. Oh yeah, the guest. Sorry, I'm just meaning predominantly the crew, like we have. Like zero tolerance with that. Yeah. Do you also really quick question like but I would be surprised if guests didn't try to bring on drugs on board for these like long days of partying? Like how do you guys navigate that? For sure. I mean, there are boards that like I've been on, we like gates, have had drugs on board and again, like I've had captains that abide by the law like company where I've kind of had to go and tell them, Look, this is this is the situation. And they've like Chardo and kicked the guest off because at the end of the day, again, it comes down to their license. So like stop by like the maritime police, like on the water or the Coast Guard or whatever, and they come on board the boat and they find like drugs and whatnot. The boat will get like seized and then the captain can have their license taken away. So that's like their entire career, and that's why it's a serious thing. So when Captain Sandy is literally being filmed for a television show, she's not going to like, let drugs go by and then have documentation of something that could basically get her license taken away. Like, that's that's insane. The people, I guess people just don't understand that. But I think also, like I know there was like this huge thing that came on about the Hannah situation was because everyone was like, Well, you know, like, Valium isn't a drug. It's like a prescribed medication for mental health, which, yes, like 100 percent, you're allowed to have prescribed medication onboard. Like, I'm talking more, you know, as long as it's reported and it's not popping pills in the cabins, like without anyone knowing because it kind of can make you stupid, disorientated when you working and put people at risk if there's a fire or an emergency and then they can't like one hundred percent like act on on the emergency. But it's more so like people like I've had experience with people having cocaine on boats and stuff like that completely like illegal. OK, so that's different, right? Gotcha. OK, well, I just want to talk to you and hear about creating your book, the experience of creating it. It's called the art of table escaping deck out your table with the Queen of fame, which we have seen so much on below deck med. Your tables are truly stunning. Yes, I would love to hear about this, like how you got the idea to create it and more about the book. Thank you. I mean, like, I love it because I'm like, I'm the self-proclaimed queen of steam rides. If you were like, Oh, I love the way she calls herself Queen of theme, but I love it. And I think just my mom owns a boutique wedding venue. So I've kind of grown up around back my mom, who's creative and whatnot. And ever since I realized that I could create these experiences on boats for guests, and a lot of people love to go all out like this, they come on and request these wild and crazy themes. I've kind of like, just had such a passion for it, and they focus a lot on it. And below deck made season five, I think more so than any of the previous seasons. They focus a lot on like the table decor and like just all the, you know, they always touch on it. But I think there was a lot of it on on the season I was on and it like sparked a huge interest with a lot of the fans of the show. People are reaching out to me with questions and ideas and tips and tricks and all of that. And I had a lot of requests like if I could put it into a book. So I kind of was like, You know what? This is a fun passion project that I would love to kind of execute. And I went like balls to the walls of that and was like, I'm going to shoot this book and get it out there. I cannot fathom how you found the time to do all of this in the midst of how hard you work and how much you work. But I think it's so amazing because truly, the tables look gorgeous. And I'm curious, like, is all that stuff just on board already? Like, do you have to bring like a suitcase full of like decor? Like, how does that work? You, like so many people ask me, Do I like I always like kind of like, what's the word? Not relate like like I always see myself as Mary Poppins, right? You just imagine like this person going around with this big bag of decor. But a lot of the time, obviously, the the decor is on the yacht. So like, I'll get a budget from from the owner or if I try to guess the coming, they'll say, Oh, we want to do this, could you buy us a whole lot of costumes? And that will come. They'll pay for it. But, you know, I keep boxes, especially being on a busy charter boat, I keep like label boxes with just lots of decor that can kind of be. I love to repurpose items. So anything that can kind of be used for like a Gatsby party could then also be like repurposed into like a glitzy Hollywood party. So I love it because we don't have a lot of storage on the boat. It's literally like tiny. And you have to find creative ways of like shoving decor into different cupboards or into like different boxes and all of that. So, you know, you do have a budget like every year if you work on a boat for a long time that you can kind of like add to the decor as you go. And then I just like to have my like standard themes on board because targets are always requesting these different themes. So I have like my stable go tos with candles and like fairy lights and all of that. And then I love to also just kind of spend find like fun objects if we're in the Bahamas, like get the date crew to go out and like, get me a whole lot of sand that I can incorporate, or shells or even like drum sticks and foliage and like, just use stuff that we've got around to make it really fun. What's your favorite thing that you've done or craziest or hardest or both? All of all of it I did like a really cool theme in Central Park was like in the middle of summer when I did this massive blue and white theme and I ordered two huge ice sculptures. They were like massive to like put like bottles of Dom Perignon in, so they, like, sat in the ice sculptures. And then I had this massive like curtain, which was made out of real orchids, and the orchids were like dyed like blue. So they were like blue and white orchid like curtain all the way over the sun. You got to walk through it. And then these ice sculptures, I actually had to. It was so it was such a shambles because I didn't anticipate how big they were and we could not get them on the board. I couldn't make crew like these things. And I had to outsource a crane to like some kind of port and crane these ice sculptures as they're like melting my god, mercury in the middle of summer. Some of the little melting like, my gosh, like all the decor looking at me like, Are you insane? Like, what is wrong with you? Like getting these on and off all the time they were on board. They are small and there was just water everywhere. So like, Oh my god, I'm like a frozen ice sculpture body into like a water Suarez. I mean, also, this is on top of all the other stuff you have to do. Like the other interior task, it's just it's amazing. Yeah, I mean, it's just like you have to juggle, like you have to weigh so many different hats like on board and then another really fun one. I even I even write about it in my book, but I found this like really old propeller like from a boat that had been like discarded. And I was like, Oh my gosh, that would actually make for a really fun centerpiece. And so like, I went and to the boys, could you bring this propeller on? And I was like, It's pretty big. And they were like, Are you? Are you crazy? Like, What is wrong with you? I know it's going to like, it's a shock factor. I always think it's so cool to bring something on like that with the board and then the gifts or like, what right? And I put this, I like, cleaned it up and then put this massive propeller in the middle of the table and then like, decorate it around. And everyone was like, Whoa, this is crazy. But that was also definitely a big, different sort of thing that I've done. So do you carry the propeller around with you from charter to charter? Oh no, I did this thing right of left in my cab, and it was like my motto Everyone examines my cabin. I'm like, Just be careful. You don't cut your leg open on that thing. Oh my gosh. That's dedication. Thank you so much for coming on. This has been so fun and truly like a dream come true for us. Thank you so much for having me. It's been a blast. I've really, really loved. You guys are great. You're incredible. We're very lucky to have had you on. Thank you so much. Fugly, tell everyone where to find you. What's happening with your book, when they can expect it. All the things. OK, perfect. So you can follow me on Instagram, which is just Bugsy drag. Very simple. I'm on Twitter to speak a lot about my book, and then my book is pretty much out on any like online bookstore, Amazon, Target, Barnes and Noble on my own website, which is Bugsy Drake dot com, and it's officially out on May the 4th. My gosh, like literally tomorrow, tomorrow pretty much made up. Congratulations. Yay, it's so exciting. All right. Just for our listeners. Again, it's called the art of table escaping. 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