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Maybe you're walking home with a guy you really like after a night in the college bar or maybe you and another fella are heading back to his in a taxi after meeting in a club or perhaps you've gone home with someone after a really great 4th date. There are lots of times and places where we need to say what we want and what we don't want. Whatever the moment have the consent conversation. A message from the government of Ireland. Welcome to Straight Up with Stassi. I have Katie Maloney here because this is the thing. The last 12 times I have been around you, Katie, the only thing that you can talk about is Taylor Swift's Miss Americana to the point where the first seven times that I heard you talk about it, I was like, I haven't seen it yet. I haven't seen it yet. I know. You talking at me about this means absolutely nothing. I'm just gonna have to sit here in my brain and think about shoes as I let you get it all out. Yes. It's important. It is. Well, now that I have watched it, it is very important. Mhmm. So I know you have a s**t ton of thoughts on it. I hope you can repeat yourself because we're just gonna spend an episode talking about this. And I guess we can just talk about how it relates to women in general. Yeah. And or just people in general and how people feel. And, like, even Taylor Swift feels the same way that, like, someone who works at Express feels. That's the most random place you could possibly pull up. But, like, that was the that was the thing I was watch like, when I was watching this, when it came out January 31st at 2 o'clock in the morning, I was like, how me, Katie Maloney, in Valley Village is relating so hardcore to Taylor Swift, superstar. It's nuts. But you know what? That's why that's why I think that this that this documentary is so important. Well, I think what's also important to note is that you and I haven't been, like I've I'm not like, I like Taylor Swift, but I've never been, like, a ride or die Taylor Swift. Like Yeah. We're not we're not Swifties. We're not Swifties. We weren't we weren't fans of her. We're also, like because we're we're a little bit older. Than, you know, I think her fans are and at least the writer dies have been. So we we, like, were conformed maybe around, I was okay. You were reputation. Reputation. Which I think is interesting because reputation is the one that people didn't give a s**t about. As I was watching this documentary, I'm like, she's not nominated nominated for reputation? No one cares about reputation? That s**t was amazing. She all she was like this cat loving, no offense, but, like, I have a room in my house that's dedicated to girls. And it's like, if you're a boy, you can't go in there, and I'm just a goody 2 shoes to all of a sudden being this, like, f**king just relentless, give 0 f**ks bada*s. Like, I'm gonna call everyone out with my music, and I'm like, I'm here for it. But that's but you have to understand it was such a departure from her, like, goody goody bubblegum, let's have a sleepover in my with my cats in my in my girls only bedroom, no boys allowed kinda thing that, you know, when when reputation came out and it was gritty, give 0 f**ks kinda thing that people were shooketh. How did the Swifties like it? Do you know? They didn't, I don't think. So, like, you know I don't I don't know. She's such like a ride or die with girls, though. I love that though. Until she's not their friend, she kind of reminds me of us. Hold up. Hold up. Just hear me out real fast. Okay? We're so ride or die with girls. I don't really have any guy friends. I think your husband's the only guy friend I really have. You know what I mean? But it's not like I'd ever just, like, come and be like, wanna go watch a game together or wanna, like, wanna go do this tonight? It's like, no. I would much rather always be around girls. Hardcore, just since I was little, always about girls. But we do cut out friends sometimes. And she did that with Karlie Kloss. I googled that. Oh. Remember they were, like, best friends? That's right. They were even on the cover of Vogue together. They did everything together. Karlie lived at her apartment in New York. Yeah. What was it that happened, though? I googled it. And so, I mean, honestly, you don't you never know actually what we're reading is true. But what I found online, it could be false, is that, like, while Taylor was gone, like, Carly was having just, like, lots of people over to Taylor's place and just, like, kind of not respecting the situation. I did it. And I think maybe that just caused Taylor Swift to just freak out and kind of do a, like, okay. I can't, which Hashtag no new friends. Hashtag well, hash yeah. Seriously. It's like, I get, and it's like, I've obviously, there's gotta be more to the story. For sure. You know? But I have not seen her with Karlie Kloss, and Taylor Swift did not go to Karlie Kloss's wedding. Oh, yeah. So there's that. But, also, Taylor Swift has done like, she's just straight up disappeared too from everywhere and and everyone, I think. Well, I think that's also interesting that she was able to disappear for a year. Also, goals. That must be f**king nice. How does that happen? When you have all of those people outside your apartment just like tons of paparazzi and fans, how do you all of a sudden just disappear for a year? Tell teach me. Well, I think she's probably spent isn't doesn't her, boyfriend live in, like, in or is he from England or something? She probably spent a lot of time over there. Okay. Okay. Still difficult because there's still, like, photographers and press in England, and I'm sure she's, like, a worldwide deal. You know what I mean? So I just I I just wanna know how the f**k do you get to go and hide? Yeah. But I don't think she necessarily saw it as a luxury. She saw it as a necessity, and, also, it was you know, she was felt like no one wanted to see her, and that's kinda sad. She thought that she thought that literally she was canceled, and no one wanted to see her face. Okay. I think that that's an important thing to note. And so maybe we can then just to provide some context in case someone who's listening hasn't watched the documentary. Yes. It starts out with her basically saying, like, my whole life, I like, what's made me happy is hearing applause or getting validation from other people. She's lived for approval of strangers Yes. Essentially. Her whole life, like, up until, like, shooting this documentary, basically, or up until her breakaway and up and but so it's like that's kind of, like, what the theme of the documentary is. Mhmm. And then it, like, spiders off into all of these other things. But she does get into the fact that when did they say when when did the hashtag Taylor's canceled party, whatever? When, so when Kanye? Yeah. When the when Kanye came out with that song that says, you know, I made that b***h famous. And she she said that she doesn't remember saying having that conversation that she was cool with that. He she doesn't remember him telling her, I'm gonna call her a b***h. And, you know, she thought that she was massively taken advantage of, especially when Kim Kardashian posted that video of her out on the phone with him. Yeah. And it was it was a very sort of, like, confusing situation because it wasn't really the full story and the full conversation. You know what sucks is that it's like I don't wanna choose between Kim and Taylor. I know. I like them both. So so yeah. So Kanye is using his massive audience to to persuade on his end. And and then, you know, at his concert, everyone's saying, f**k Taylor Swift. f**k Taylor Swift. And then it's just just an onslaught of Taylor Swift's canceled. Taylor Swift's canceled. Taylor Swift's canceled. So her saying that when she lives for the, you know, approval of strangers after getting, or when when she's at the MTV Movie Awards, going back to that when he came and That was really sad to relive. That was really hard to rewatch that because sad. Because she was because she says in this documentary, she says, when you live, you know, when you live for the approval of strangers, you know, one one thing can dismantle the whole thing, and it can come crushing down. And so she says, for me, it was really hard to hear these booing. I to me, it didn't occur to me that they were booing Kanye. Yeah. I'm standing on stage and hearing people booing. I think they're booing me. Yeah. That was crazy too because I don't think she's ever said that in an interview. Yeah. So so you see her face and you see just the color of Jaimper, and she's just feeling she's really thinking that these people are booing her. So that's where, like, things like, you know, like, that kind of really start to just chip away at her. And then when that song, came out and that whole, like, I don't know, that war between them happened and they that whole cancel Taylor Swift. This is what's creation happened. This is what's crazy about just being human and social media is that when that, like, canceled Taylor Swift thing happened, I didn't if I heard about it, I would never have I didn't take it seriously. I'm like, you can't cancel Taylor Swift. She's Taylor Swift. Like, that's where my brain goes. And so I would have thought that her, like, scrolling through her Twitter, seeing nothing but those hashtags, she'd be like, you can't cancel me. I'm Taylor Swift. Like, it's so crazy how even somebody who is at the top of the music industry, at the top of, like, her respective industry so it doesn't matter if it's music like, what your industry is or what your career is. You could be at the top no and you're still you're still scared. That's that's another that's another huge running theme in this in this entire documentary is that she's just in constant competition with herself that, you know, she has to do better and that even though she's at the top, that, you know, she's she's gotta compete with herself. I don't think this to me, it didn't even look like she knew she was at the top. No. I'm like because she's also she was, like, so young. Think like, think about when she when she started gaining massive success, she was just a teenager. And then, you know, by the time she's 24 and 25, like, she's winning Grammys. That's insane. Yeah. But you would think that okay. The facts are there. The things that she's accomplished, all of I you know, I don't know the the list of s**t. I mean, I have, like, one article here that I'm just like, okay. Okay. Taylor Swift sold more singles in the past decade than any other musician. Mhmm. I'd be like, okay. Well, that means I'm I'm kind of on the top if I knew that information. That, like, it's not like an opinion. It's just fact. It's like, I'm on top. I've sold more than any other musician. The one scene where it's it was the the day that the Grammy nominations came out and she's just, like, sitting on the couch, and she's waiting for the phone call herself by herself with the camera crew. And she and she gets the call that she has not been nominated for Grammys. You just see, like, complete like, a crushing reaction from her, and she just feels like like this is the end for me. You know? Like, I have to go I have to, like it's just it's a girl. Like, you're Taylor Swift. You don't even need a Grammy. Beyonce doesn't even go to the Grammys a lot of the time, and that's Queen Bey. You know what I mean? She doesn't even go. So it's like but this is, like, this is the the the pressure, and this is sort of like the it goes back to her sort of being the person that she's been not told to be, but that everyone has wanted her to be this perfect person. And that, you know, if she's if she's not winning Grammys, if she's not nominated for Grammys, then, you know? Who is she? Not that she's always has been, but it's just she's always been really likable. She treats people nicely, and it's just you know? And if she's not getting those things, then that means people don't like her. It's just it's very, like, it really sad to see that. It also reminds me of and you might be able to help me with this because I'm trying to remember which actress this was recently but or where I saw this, but it it kind of has to do with relevancy. It's, like, in the entertainment industry, okay, so if, like, we're not on banner pump rules or doing something that's out there, then are we relevant? Then you're done. It's almost like for her, like, she was told, like, if you're not winning Grammys, you're not relevant. You're done. Like, there was an actress recently that was just told, like, you need to be more relevant. And so she, like, went out. She started going, this is gonna kill me. It's I saw it on Daily Mail, which means Keeps true. Keeps saying more, which she was just basically told that by her team, like, I need to be more relevant. And so she was, like, going out more, going to dinners at places where people are gonna see you. And I'm like, oh, man. That's exhausting. It's like, we don't even do that. 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You gotta get us a it's like it's it's like we are inundated with so many social media platforms that if you're not on this, then you're not relevant and you're not current and you're not with the times. It's like it is so oversaturated, and it's just and it's just it's here today and gone tomorrow. And people just want new new content all the time, fresh content. And it's there's always new trends out there, and you have to stay on top of it. And for me, it is exhausting because it's like, that's not necessarily not the world where I come from, but that's not the time that I'm from. And even though I'm technically that you want to truly live. That's like that's not the like, I I'm a millennial, but, like, I spent most of my time growing up and my creative time not with a cell phone and not creating a cell phone and putting out content for the world and gaining and gaining, validation that way. Yeah. You know, I I spent real in real time with IRL with people getting validation that way. So it's really hard to have to, like, put stuff out there for likes and everything. So it's like for me to have to constantly feel like I need to put out selfies and be active on even just Instagram is is, like, overwhelming in itself. So, like, maintaining relevancy just when it's not even up to you. It's not even up to you I know. How long you can stay relevant in a in a world in, you know, reality TV or in the movies for actresses or for singers to win Grammys. It's it's it's subjective. So for people to to comment on those things and to put that kind of unnecessary pressure on people is just ridiculous, especially, you know, in the Twitter world and the cancel culture out there. I loathe the cancel culture. It's so I, you know, I like It's dangerous. I thought the the word was funny. Like, you're canceled. I think it's funny when it's not meant seriously. Yes. You know what I mean? Like, I I wanna I like I want I don't even actually use that word. I should use it more. I like that word, but, like, not seriously. No. No. No. No. The cancel culture is scary as f**k. And you know what? I guarantee, 5 people could listen to this podcast episode right now, hear how we're talking about cancel culture, all of the sudden start tweeting a lot, a lot, the same hashtags, get something and they could it just picks up. Cancel KD and saucer or cancel this. It picks up then because somebody else sees it. They don't even know what the f**k they're talking about. Then they look into something, and they see one article that they're like, you're right. I don't like them. I'll do that too. You're doing it right now. I'm doing I'm canceling us right now in this podcast. It's yeah. It's weird. It's it's just weird that so many people, like, have the power to not just take you down or take your career down, but make you feel like that could happen. People self appoint them the power to do that. People it's weird. The peep people that don't even have the power self appoint themselves the power and somehow rally people behind themselves to do it. It's insane. Just watching Taylor Swift be like, well, I was canceled, so I'm gonna go I'm gonna go hide for a year. What? Yeah. It's crazy. But, like, I I relate to that big time. Yeah. Because, like, I've I, like even, like, on our show, I feel that way Yeah. Too because, like, I feel like I've, like, been not canceled, but people want to see me gone. I mean For sure. Yeah. People have commented that a lot to you, and I don't have anything to say to it because I I that I can't imagine I mean, I remember how that must feel from when I've gone through it. Mhmm. But you've gone through it for such a long period of time that I'm not even gonna try and be like, no. Feel better. Blah blah blah. It's like, no. That's that must that that must not feel good. Like, that must So yeah. When she's like stressful. She's like, I feel like I should just like, people don't wanna see me. And I'm like, I feel that so much. So it's like it's yeah. How long okay. You know what I was wondering, and I don't know if you know, how long was this filmed and when did it start? Like, over a period of how long because it it seemed like it started right after Reputation, and that was a really long time ago. I'm guessing it's, like, several years. I mean, there's That's what it seems like. Filming, like, bits of her Reputation tour, which was a while back. That was, like, when I joined Vanderpump Rules season 4 again. That was that long ago. No. It was. Yeah. It was because I remember literally Her Reputation tour? Yeah. Because I remember her music video with all of the supermodels came out at that time. No. Did I dream this? Yes. It feels like it's I that I dreamed this? Yes. Okay. When was that then? Reputation tour? Yeah. Remember when she did all of the, that was that was, like, literally 2 years ago. What does it feel like? I feel like I have this memory of being in the Venice Beach Shack. No. Watching that music video. We were listening to those songs the weekend that you and Bo, like, froze together. You're so Right. I know. Time flies. Oh my god. Time philosophy. That's all you needed to say. You're right. It was right when it was literally the night that we had sex for the first time was the first day that I heard, look what you made me do. Mhmm. Okay. Okay. So I was just confusing, like, for some reason I thought that the the supermodel music video was with the reputation. No. It was before that. So I was I I wasn't crazy. What song was that? Remember when she had, like, Gigi Hadid and Everyone in there? I don't remember what music what video that was. But, anyways okay. Now Yeah. This is making so much more sense to me because I've been thinking that this has now been, like, 4 or 5 years. And I'm like, Jesus Christ. This is okay. That makes sense. Then I feel like I have more answers. Okay. Well, one thing that you kept talking about that I also think is important and I wonder what people in, like, not in the entertainment industry feel about this, as she was talking about the elephant graveyard. God. Especially also people that, like, are under the age of 30. Right. Because this this is, like, such a real very real thing for women that are, you know, thirties, above thirties, that it becomes very hard to be, you know, desire not desirable. You know, you're still desirable, but but to be what's the word? I don't know because I don't feel this way. Like, I'm I'm I'm gonna be honest. Like, when you said you were you related to that, I was like, I don't at all. I felt like I feel like like, I was watching the documentary being, like, she was, like, talking about how she was dreading turning 30. I was looking forward to turning 30. Yeah. No. I just don't It's not about that, but it's about feeling, like, washed up essentially in that. There's a whole new, like, fresh batch of, like, young women coming in that are, you know you don't feel that way. Even, like, even on on on our show, people are always like, they need younger people. These these they're they're all old now. No. Because I think I I think about, like, the knowledge that we have now and just, like, I feel like our personalities are just we're all just so much alert. I'm not saying that's not true. That I'm like, what do you know, b***h? Like, if someone young and new comes in, I'm like, what do yo know? I'm not saying that I'm not cooler or wiser or funnier or better. It's not about that. It's just, it's about, it's having that young, youthful quality in Hollywood and entertainment. It's more so for actresses and entertainers and stuff. Okay. But but, you know, you feel that a little bit because, like, yeah, like, when you get older, it's just like maybe because I look up to The Real Housewives so much. I just don't I'm like, I'm sorry. But, like, no. Because, like, I have Bethany and f**king Lisa Vanderpump right now that are just, like, literally at their prime in their lives. And I'm like, I still have a lot of time to go. If you're if you're looking at Housewives, then yeah. So maybe more people need to watch Housewives. That's the answer. I mean, it just it's okay. I guess it it's relative where depends on what you're looking at or what lens you're putting on it. But but which but she's also looking at it as, like, she says, you know, I have to now I'm constantly having to reinvent myself. That was important. Yeah. As an artist, I'm having to reinvent myself constantly to to be interesting and to sell myself as an artist to people, to to to be interesting and fresh and cutting edge and entertaining to everyone, whereas men in this industry don't. I was thinking about that too. Keep showing up with the same old song and dance and the same f**king s**t, and people still keep buying it. Yeah. Where they and they show her in different, like, costumes and different everything, haircuts and and all this stuff, just, yeah, reinventing herself constantly over time just to, like, be fresh and new and different. Yeah. And that is yeah. That's why I was like, damn. Okay. That yes. The l that's what I mean with, like, the elephant graveyard is just, like, being, like, having to, like, have something to bring to the table. It is what you have to offer. What do you have to offer? It's like, what what do you mean what, like, what does he have to offer? I know. I'm trying to think of any male musicians that have, like, reinvented themselves that I can't think of any. Bieber. Okay. But, unfortunately, he's reinvented himself. He looks like a a highway like like, he is going to literally pull over in his white van, try and sell your future children some cookies, and kidnap them. Wait. I read somewhere like he looks like the the roofer that skipped out on payday and isn't shown back up for work. That is funny accuracy. But yeah. But and also but then she also says, you know, just she just was very, like, kinda hitting the nail on the head of, like, being you know, growing up and into, like, into yourself Mhmm. And into, you know, being in your thirties, basically. And she's like, you know, I feel like I'm 57 years old, but, also, I'm, like, not ready for kids and all that adult s**t. And I was like you related to this s**t. And I was like, I just want you to have a baby. But Same z's. Well, yeah, because I do. I definitely do it because I feel like I've experienced so much life and I've learned so much. I I definitely feel old, but I also feel like I'm, like, not ready for so much adult responsibility. You know your own life, your own body, your own mind, and your own heart, and your soul. So if you feel like you're just not there yet, then that's your thing. No. No. I can't say anything to that. It's also it's also just, like, I'm also always, like, scared of, like, the unknown. That is, like, exciting. A baby unknown? That's, like, not true unknown. You know what's unknown? When there's the giant earthquake and California falls off into the water. That's on the unknown. Yeah. Sorry. I just watched, like, geo whatever, geo storm the other day with Gerard Butler. So I'm just, like, all Yeah. Don't thinking about The the earth nature situation is real here because you just, like, it's always like Coronavirus is real. Yeah. Because, well, the earthquake thing is this. Could you just, like, laying in bed, watching some Netflix, trying to maybe, you know, maybe you took a little bit of ZzzQuil to, you know could you imagine if an earthquake happened, the big one, when I'm right in the middle of my Xanax rim? I would be like, Beau would leave me. He would be like, I'm sorry. She won't wake up. I gotta get out of here. I'm taking the dogs. Dude, the but for real, we don't give, like, we don't get warnings. We don't get, like, evacuation warnings. It's just we we're just out here raw dogging reality in this in this s**t of, like It's true. I also watched gonna happen. I also watched Twister the other day, which is weird. Why am I watching these movies all all of a sudden? Twist tornado people don't get warnings either. Pretty sure Dorothy didn't end up being a thing. They do. It's called there's a storm happening. The it's not like it's like a blue sky and all of a sudden, like, boom, twist or just Really? I thought that's exactly what it was. No. There's, like usually, there's, like, some, like, wind and Have you ever seen a tornado? No. But I've seen but it but, like, I'm pretty sure that there's, like, a weather pattern happening prior to Well, according to Helen Hunt, that s**t can happen at any time at any place. It happens over the water. Yeah. But, yeah, but when a storm is happening. What define a storm, rain? Wind and rain. Like, it's like during a storm. It's like wind yes. I feel like we're gonna get a lot of tweets about this one. Some points. People are gonna be correcting us. Correct me. I don't I'm not trying to act like I know, but I'm just saying it's like it's not like an earthquake where it's like it just happens. Have you tried ritual yet? You guys, I've been talking about this for forever. Okay? This is revolutionary in the vitamin industry. Okay? 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And it's not like you like like, Kylie Jenner's compound in Calabasas would be, like, a 2 bedroom apartment in Manhattan. You know what I mean? Yeah. Because it's, like, everything's so small. So why would you wanna go and disappear to New York? Like, why not live in LA is, like, the best place to live. You can drive far away. What was crazy in this documentary is she when she's leaving her apartment or sorry. Not her apartment, her house. She has a permanent, like, crowd of fans and papa rots the outside. She goes she when she leaves, she's like, so this is my front yard. What did she say? Yeah. This is my, like, front yard. My front yard. And she says, I know that this is, like, not normal. f**king insane. Like, I would have a full I would 100% would check into some sort of rehab facility. I would never leave. So maybe that's how she disappeared. Maybe she's just never left. Even Postmates because then you're like, the Postmates guy is gonna ask for a photo. Look. I don't think she's the one answering the door. So that means she's never alone? She always has to be with someone? Oh, there's a door guy, you mean. Yeah. Okay. I don't know. I'm I'm working through this right now as well. I who knows? Okay. Speaking of paparazzi standing outside of her door 247, The photo Okay. The photo thing. So the photo, that's probably that was also one of the big, big moments that struck with me. Struck with me. Stuck with me. In this. Well, let me just explain just, again, in case people haven't watched. So she gets in the car after she leaves her her home, and there's just nothing but fans and paparazzi out there. And she gets in the car and she's like, I've I've learned that I it's not good for me to look at pictures of myself every day. Yeah. And that she would look at her paparazzi photos and zoom in and be like, oh, my stomach's sticking out too much in that one. Or she would go in, like, a a hate shame spiral and, like, then and starve Yeah. And be like, yes. I'm not eating today. And then she's like, I thought it was normal to feel out of breath, like, during my performance or during a concert. Like, I just thought that's what happened. And she's like, I didn't know that, no. If you eat food, you won't feel that way. Yeah. And it's and I I'm I'll be honest. I I, like, always suspected because she was very, very, very, very thin. But And it would and it would fluctuate. Well, here's the thing. Always been that way. I'd be like, oh, that's her body type. But she when we when we first met Taylor Swift, she was a young girl. She was a teenager, so it's like I don't she when we met her, she was just like a a young thin girl. You know? So who knows? You know? What do you mean? Meaning, like, when you meet someone, like, we're all we're all, like, thin when we're teenagers. Right? So, like, we we don't know, like, we never I never saw her, like, weight fluctuate in any way. I thought that she felt so good. She was always just, like, thin. I was like, oh, she just is, like, a naturally thin girl. I don't mean, like I'm I mean, I just felt like as she grew older, she just got smaller, and that normally doesn't happen, really. Right? Am I wrong? I don't I don't know. I mean, I could Not for me. I could be wrong, but, like, to me, the older I get, the harder it is. Correct. So that's correct. But she but she, like, brings up something that I don't think a lot of people know about or what they understand about the whole, like, disordered eating topic. And are you gonna explain that some more? Because, well, I don't know what you mean. Well, like, disordered where it's like it's not necessarily a, like, bulimia or anorexia thing where it's like, yeah. Like, you're eating, but, like, you know, you're not necessarily eating enough for, like, you you know, you exercise a lot, but, like, you're very, like, calorie deficient. And, you know, it's just like you don't have necessarily have, like, the best relationship with food. And it's like a lot of people, like, like, have a hard time with that. I even I didn't think, like, even me me in my twenties, I had a hard time time with that. And, like, I feel like that every day. And yeah. No. I feel that every day. I think about what I've consumed every day. And then and even yesterday when I went to my doctor, I'm, like, I've just felt really fatigued and, like, mildly like, I'm not gonna say depressed, just down. I was talking to you about this. I'm, like, I just feel down. I have no reason to feel down, but, like, I literally have no energy. And then one of the things he asked, he's like, well, what about your diet? And I'm, like, well, I'm f**king trying to intermittent fasting. I'm trying not to eat that much. I'm like, maybe that also has something to do with it and is affecting my mood and my energy and everything. And I'm just trying to look the best that I can on my f**king wedding date that it's like I Yeah. Probably have a weird issue. I definitely I definitely have definitely had, some, like, disordered eating issues in my past. And, like, you don't think that you have until you sit back and you think about it, and you're like, that's not, like, normal. Yeah. Like, I shouldn't be obsessed with it or I shouldn't overthink about that. But when you try these, like, diet fads or when you try to, like, count calories or when you think about, like, you know, I'm not gonna eat this or I'm only gonna eat at certain times or I'm only like, that's a disordered eating pattern. That's like and so so then I just was like, f**k it. I'm just gonna, like, eat whatever I want because I love food and I love food. I love food. And then we see what happens when you do that. You gain, like, £40. And so what is a what is a healthy relationship with food? Like, how do you even define that? Just, like, I don't even know what that is. I don't know what that is. So it's just trying to, like, literally eat food that is good for you and eating, like, healthy choices. We all know what's food that's, like, not good for you. I mean, what what is having a healthy relationship with food? Because I don't know one person that does. Knowing knowing Maybe Bo or Schwartz. But, like, I don't really know anyone, any female that has, like, a healthy relationship with food where I'm like, you don't think about it. Like, you just naturally eat healthy. I think we all are and I don't know if it's just us living in LA, but, like, we're all obsessive about it. And if we're not obsessive about it, we're doing the wrong thing or it's just you know what I mean? Yeah. Well, it's it's it borders on trying to be, like, you know, healthy and maintain a healthy lifestyle and then being, like, disordered and obsessive about it. You know? And that's why for me, rather than trying to go back to those patterns, I was like, I'm gonna go see a nutritionist and learn how you do those things so I can create a healthy relationship with food. So I don't need to be, like, scared to eat or or I feel like I can't have these things or, you know, because I think when you start to, like, create that bad relationship food with food or like, oh, food makes me fat or food does this or food you know? Or just go the opposite and just, you know, be an emotional eater or something like that. Mhmm. That's that's also dangerous. Yeah. That's what I mean. Like, even, like, people that we know that don't obsess about it, but then, like, just, like, do emotionally and just don't give a s**t. It's like all of us have a I don't I'm just saying I'm I'm just making a comment that, like, I don't know anyone or know what it's like to have just a healthy relationship with food. Knowing that Taylor Swift has gone through it too, I think it makes me feel better. I know. It's not bad. No. But that's why it stuck with me because I was just like, oh my god. Like, thank you for talking about this and bringing this to the forefront and shedding light on this because I think that this is something that a lot of people are scared to talk about. Not and not normalizing it, but just making it feel like this is something that is, like, happening and not understanding that a lot of people, like, might not understand that they also might be doing these kind of things too. Yeah. Because you don't because she said that you don't realize that you're doing it. Katie, yes. You do it slowly over time. I'm telling you because that was a moment where I'm like, I feel that way right now. It's like, I feel that way right now and I'm driving myself crazy right now thinking about what I can and can't eat. And I love I mean, who doesn't f**king love eating? If someone doesn't say that, they're like, oh, whatever. Foods are fine. It's like, you're a liar. It is the most fun you can have, like, literally. Yeah. Delicious. But I, when I saw her talk about that, I'm like, oh my God, I'm doing the same s**t. But also, I don't know how to stop myself from doing the same s**t because I'm getting married. I I mean, I think it's just, like, things need to be sustainable. Yeah. Honestly. So it's like yeah. So if, like, the intermittent fasting thing isn't sustainable for you, then It's sustainable part of the time. Obviously, like, I like going to dinners with people, and so after 6 PM fine. Then you then so sometimes after 6 you eat. That's and so that's what I'm trying to teach my brain. It's like, I don't have to do it every day. I can do it when it works and just try and make the best choices when I'm going to dinner with people and when I'm out late. Having, like, an 80, 20, or 70, 30 percent is I think that's totally fine. 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So just go to liquidiv.com, enter promo code Stasse to save 25% and get better hydration and energy. That's liquidiv.com, promo code Stasse. Also, another thing from the Taylor Swift documentary that you just debunked. What? So I walked into Katie's home and she put on the documentary just to have on in the background for a little bit to get us in the zone. And she's, like, also, look at her engagement ring. Everyone's saying that she's engaged. Yes. So we marched up to the TV. I'm, like, that's a that's a f**king giant diamond ring. Yeah. She's having conversation with, like, her parents because she's debating whether or not to get into this whole political stuff. And it looks like she's got a massive diamond on her left finger. Yeah. Literally. But Katie paused. Well, we watched it, the scene, 300 times, and then Katie paused it at the exact right moment. It's not a diamond ring, you guys. It's like a little diamond fox Fox. Or cat or something. It's a little It's a little animal. Cats. That's what it is. It's a little animal head ring. So My god. Katie, it's a cat. She loves cats. That's exactly what that is. It's not a fox or Something. It's like a foxes. Fox or cat. It's a it's a little it's a little animal of some sort. It's a it is 100% a cat. You saw this documentary multiple times. Yes. She wears cat sweatshirts. She has the cutest f**king backpack for a cat that I'm like, want that. I want that for Luda. That is adorbs. Also her little, Dinah cat is so cute. What's a Dinah cat? From from, Alice in Wonderland. You know Dinah, the cat? I know. Like, well, the cat, but what's a is that the type of cat? No. The cat's name is Dinah and it looks like that. Oh, okay. Anyways. Mhmm. Cute. Yes. It's cute. I think that a lot of people there are also because I was looking up what other people thought about this, and there are a lot of people out there that are like, okay. Another poor Taylor Swift. She's so innocent and awesome and nice and sweet stunt. And I'm, like, you know what? No. This seems raw. This seems, like, real. She's letting people see her alone being told, like, you weren't nominated for any Grammys. Yeah. She's, like, talking about embarrassing s**t that's, like, not easy to talk about. Yeah. It's like it this isn't not this isn't, like, a publicity thing. This is something that, shows At least it doesn't feel like it. It isn't. To us. And, again, we're not we're not Swifties out here being like, Justice for Taylor. Yeah. If this was a Meghan Markle documentary, then you can be like, well, you guys just like her no matter what, so it's fine. No. This was this was like this has really felt like someone who has been, you know, trying to live her life the way that she was supposed to live it, the way she was told to live it. Be a nice girl. Be nice to everyone, and things will come to you. And then she was just, like, beaten down by the industry and everyone in it and Kanye West. And then she left and she, you know, went and found happiness and has been trying to, you know, she's really come into her own and wanting to use her success for the better, and I think she's just finding her her voice again. And I think it's I I don't know. I just think it's just so endearing, and it's so honest. And I think she's just so f**king relatable. Like, I just watched this. I'm like, she just is being just so real. It also has some You can't hate on her for this. I, 100% agree. I'm thinking also maybe you related to this even more because you just said she was so used to being the nice girl, being told she had to be nice and all of that. And you were for so long just the nice girl, and you finally it was almost like you just, like, had enough. And you're like, I'm not gonna be mean, but I'm just gonna speak my thoughts and I'm gonna because I don't think you're mean. You know? Other peep there are some people that would disagree with me, but I don't I don't think of you that way. I think of you as almost like, yeah. You were the nice girl compared to me and Kristen. We were f**king bats**t crazy. You know what I mean? Relatively speaking. Relatively speaking. It's like, who knows if you are actually the nice girl? I don't know. My evilness overpowered so much that we don't know. You could've always been like this too. I think I've always kinda been like this, but, I mean, I I've always had opinions. Mhmm. Maybe they just I've I started voicing them a little bit more, being as more a little more assertive in ways, but I just yeah. I don't know. I think I think I just I I just think that sometimes I don't know what I'm trying to say. Well, if you don't know what to say, I said it for you. I mean, I don't know. I do wanna also talk about something else. What? Because I want you to do me a fave. I watched the documentary for you. I did you a fave. So that's those are our thoughts on on the t swift documentary. If you haven't watched it, you should go watch it even if you're not, like, a a a Taylor Swift fan or a Swifty or whatever. It's it is just interesting because I think that it just did Also, we one of the things that I did struggle about it what I liked is because she because she also has, like, always written her own songs, which is so cool. Even when she's, like, young, she's, like, this is a song I wrote 5 minutes ago. I haven't memorized it yet. Yeah. You see her you see her when she's young. Like, it's so cute. These, like, old, like, home videos, practically. Yeah. And then you get to see, like, clips of her in the studio in that process, which is, like, kind of Yes. Awesome. That was actually really cool. And I'm not even, like, a music person. You don't need yeah. You don't even really have to be into that that whole thing just to, like, get down with that. But I just I kinda like that that's in there too. So this the even the songs off of her new album, you get to see sort of them take shape a little bit, which I really like that as well. Yeah. That's how I felt when I watched, the behind the scenes of making The Greatest Showman. Yes. The workshopping of it. Workshopping, I was like, oh my god. I this is incredible. All the time. Yeah. That's fantastic. But that's what it reminded me of. Mhmm. And I'm like, god. That must be, like, just so crazy and naked feeling just to, like, go in and be like, what do you think about these lyrics? I would be like, oh my god. I could never. Yeah. I could never. That's, like, so vulnerable because someone will look at me and be like, those lyrics suck. Stop singing about ranch. Of course, ranch. I I know. People are gonna cancel me because I talk about ranch too much. Ranch is canceled. I keep getting tweets and people being like, okay. We hear you. Ranch. So done, moustazzi. I'm like, I can't help what I love, people. I can't help that I talk about what I love, and that's one of the things I love. Like, sit down right now. What? I'm not allowed to, like, ranch anymore? I have to reinvent myself? How is ranch gonna play into your wedding? It's not. How is that gonna It's not. But you know what? I'm trying to get to play into my wedding. What? Cacio e Pepe. Oh, it better. I'm trying real hard to make Cacio e Pepe play into my wedding. Take up for the fact that there will be no brand. There will be there. Unless someone wants to ship some handmade or good old fashioned ranch to it just doesn't mean that. Spit on some ranch. Yeah. There it's not there. Oh, man. Yeah. They don't even have, like, like, Italian versions of ranch, like, in the stores. It's, like, unfortunate. So zero ranch, and I'm sorry if you are sick of me talking about it. But it it that is what I feel like, though. I'm sorry. I'm gonna say this. How she was talking about how women need to reinvent themselves, people saying they wanna cancel me because I talk about ranch makes me feel like I need to reinvent myself and start liking 1,000 Island. It's like it's like No. Sorry. I just I do like ranch, and I can't reinvent myself in, like, something new. It's what I like. Yeah. I can't reinvent myself into a whole new person either, so so suck it. If you don't like me, I don't know what to tell you. Okay. But the favor that I wanted to ask you. What? Read Jessica Simpson's book. Oh, I I mean, I have it. I just need, like, more time at home. I feel like I haven't really been at home and had, like so I finished it. I I I've read the first two chapters and love it. It's really good. Like, I can't wait. Tom's Tom's leaving for the weekend, so I'm gonna have, like, peace and quiet. So what I want you to do with your weekend is just watch Real Housewives of New York from the beginning because you've she's never watched it like a f**king monster and just read Jessica Simpson's book. It was so easy to read. I was, like, telling I'm, like, I was I wanted to read it so bad and I wanted to keep going that every time, like, Beau spoke or, like, would try and interrupt me, it was just, like, annoying. You know how when you're into something that much that you're, like, stop it. Why I haven't been able to read it because hello. Every time I start to read it, someone talks at me. Yeah. But that's what I love about, like, memoirs and, like, autobiographies because they're just so easy. Have you read Demi Moore's? No. But I'm not talking about that right now. Okay. But I'm just gonna talk really good. A tadzies. Okay. Well, I mean, I know you have well, if you haven't read it, then I feel like I don't wanna but you've read some of the things, like, because there's been so many articles about it. Yeah. Yeah. But it's almost like if you've read the articles, you you got the gist of it. I know it. In it. But I need to, like, read it. So but, yes, I know what I know what I'm in store for. She reminds me a little bit of me when it comes to abusing Adderall and alcohol. Oh. It's like she's very honest about it, but she doesn't name Adderall. She, like, says She had stuff that could keep her going. Yes. I was prescribed I I went into my doctor to be like, I wanna lose weight, and I'm very ashamed because at that moment, I, like, felt hot. And I was talking about how I was proud of myself and all of this stuff. And I did feel hot, but I was being you know? But everyone who saw photos of me would caption it that I was getting bigger. So I went to the doctor and said I need to lose weight, and he prescribed me something. And it basically kept me going and kept me up at night and was able to make me drink more, and then I wasn't getting wasted because I had this drug that I was using, and it was a stimulant. And and I'm like, okay. What other drug is it that that's, like, the only one? And she, like, really I mean, she goes into it. And the fact that she talks about how she would wake up and have a glitter cup that put vodka and sparkly Perrier and just go her whole day every day like that. Damn. That is some s**t right there. Every time I feel like an alcoholic, because I'm like, oh, well, like, I have wine almost every day, I'm gonna remind myself I'm not there yet. Yeah. And I know she talks about too that she would have so much alcohol in her house that she's like, when my kids are old enough to wonder why we have so much alcohol, that's when I'll get rid of it. She was always wondering, like, when is gonna be the time that I'm gonna stop? Yeah. Because she said that that the house would always their house was always gonna be their house was always the house that The party would It's the party. It's the house that everyone goes to. Yeah. God. Which is, like, also kind of, like, my worst nightmare. That's, like, kind of what y'all's house is like. Well, you, Jackson, Britney, kind of we all split that. But, like, if I I'm like, god. Jessica Simpson had the party house? Like, how'd she f**king have time for that, to be the party house? And it was the party house. Like, not just, like, come and hang out and watch a show. It was the party house. Well, because it was also because she needed to distract and entertain and from everything that was going on. It's really it's crazy. And then she mentions, like, some of the interviews that she had done, like, on Ellen DeGeneres, like, when she was full blown wasted, and I went and looked them up. Have you seen those? Like, she did Ellen DeGeneres trashed. Like Really? I went and googled it right after I finished the book, and I was like, I just have to do this. Yes. So Okay. I mean Slurring her words and just But how come no one's called it out then? They I guess they did. We just missed that article in Daily Mail that day. And, like, Ellen DeGeneres full blown looks in the camera 4000000 times and tries to find a way to work with the interview, but it's so obvious. What year was that? It was, like, 2017, 2016, or something like that. She only had 2 kids at the time. So, I mean but and then I, like, spiraled in and watched her on HSN, which I don't know what year that was. Did you see that? No. And I'm like, god. I'm like, every time I feel like, you know what? Like, I might maybe I shouldn't like, maybe I drink too much. I'm like, never done that. I haven't done that. Like, Jessica Simpson, you are a f**king queen. You need, like, you need to read this book. It's so good. Okay. I can't wait to be interesting enough to, like, write a memoir. Like, you just literally have to rely on your life. Yeah. You can't just be like, basic b***hes. Can't talk about that. It's like your life. Basic bit you can't it's Ranch and Basic b***hes. You literally have to rely on being an interesting person and having lived an interesting life and exposing so much. Like, every time I see an article come out, I'm like, god. That must be so hard for also, like, not only her, but then her husband Mhmm. To keep hearing about. It's like, g*****n. Do I have to hear about one of how your passionate relationships every damn day? If I had to wake up and see an article about how Bo and his ex girlfriend and that, like, it was all sexual and blah blah blah, I'd be like, suck it. I won't be able to handle that. Wait. She does she it's the one because I heard that she did she refer to John Mayer frequently? Is that the one that she refers to? Not refers to. She calls them all by their name. Okay. I don't know. She talks about all of them. Talks about Johnny Knoxville, John Mayer. Oh, I forgot about Johnny Knoxville. They never I apparently, they never had sex, though. Oh. It was just an emotional affair, which she thought was worse, but they never she she never admits to crossing the line. She actually doesn't deny it, I don't think. So maybe she's being respectful. But, anyway, I'm here to say everyone should go read Jessica Simpson's memoir, It's f**king Fab, and everyone should go watch Taylor Swift's Miss Americana. Yep. Just makes you think differently, especially as a woman. Alright, everyone. Katie, thank you for doing this, Tiffany. Do you feel like you've had a release now that you've been able to just get your Miss Americana thoughts out there? Yes. And finally, I haven't talked to you about it because you haven't seen it. Yay. It was worth the wait. Yay. Yay. Alright guys. Thank you.
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