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CONNECT with Jonathan Mark
01:03:51 9/17/2024

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Welcome to another week of connect with Jonathan Mark. Guys, we have an amazing episode today. We're going to be talking about kids on set, pretty much everything. And you won't want to miss this reading coming up. You guys may know her from the show, the rookie, and you definitely know the movie. Step up. It is. Jenna Dewan, let's welcome her. Well, what's going on, Jenna? How's everything, Ben? Ben? Good. Good, crazy. Great. You know the the beautiful circus that I'm eternally grateful for every year. It's like never chill. Put it that way. Well, I wanted to congratulate you. Obviously, I texted you and stuff, but I want to congratulate you on your new baby. That's amazing. Well, thank you so much. She's so good. That's why I was running 10 minutes late, so I was trying to finish feeding her and then, you know, look somewhat presentable as I came and free you. She's amazing. She's like, the best baby. I'm so lucky. Like, so late. That's so awesome. Like, I remember we were talking and you're like, Surprise, I'm pregnant. I was like, Oh my God. And it would look like that surprise. Yeah, I just remember I'm like, Wow, Mike, how did I pick that up for my dad's? I got lucky. I've always wanted to ask you, you didn't pick it up, huh? No, I did. So what happened was we were doing stuff when I think your mom was for the reading? Yep. And I didn't want to be the person to because I've done that before. So I've done it before where I would go somewhere and then I'd be like, Oh, like, there, you know, show me a brand new energies coming. And the husband would be like, What is he talking about? And like the mom would just or like the wife or whoever would be like, very quiet. Yeah. And then they do once anything. So I would be like, OK, maybe I'm seeing something wrong. Like, I don't know, like, and then I get an email from the wife being like, that was supposed to be like an intimate moment between my husband and I. And she's like, You kind of just like, said it. And she's like, you know, like, I'm not mad at you because she's like, We don't we didn't know what to expect with like a reading, just like in like general. But she was like, that was like my moment to tell him. So since then, I've never said it to anyone because I'm too afraid to based on that experience. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's so that's so sweet of you. This is why I just adore you. You're like the sweetest guy. I can't imagine getting these messages and then editing as I'm getting messages like, you're going. I see that you're holding a baby, but I'm not going to tell her. Not because that was it. Yeah, yeah. Oh, you're doing so much. Yeah, it's so crazy. And, you know, just so people know, like like we've met like a year ago or so. And you know, when we did the reading and I saw that, you know, like I said, Oh my God, I want to be that guy. I just don't want to be that guy. Like so and so it's really sweet, and I do see how that would feel that way. At some point you you ruin that or you have that moment with someone else and you're like, Oh, I don't want to do that. You know, I'm trying to remember when you were reading from my Bible, which, by the way, was so amazing. Thank you. I keep thinking about whether I must've been pregnant, and I can't. I can't remember it. Yes, I think I was. So I think you're right. We just didn't know yet. It was a really, really early on. So that's oh, you're so good, Joe. No, no. I just I just really was just based on those experiences. And like other things too, I like learned to like, maybe not say certain things to people just like in readings and especially when it's like two people on like a mother, daughter, husband, wife or whoever. Because, you know, there's been other instances to where I've said things, and let me tell you, it did not end well. And yeah, so like, I've been so limited with everything, and I just been trying to really protect people too. Like, that's my new thing is like protecting people's feelings and stuff just based on what they would want to hear, what they would want to share and just things like that. So I've been really trying to protect everyone when I do readings now. Oh, wow, that's actually incredible. And you are. You hear the message. Do sometimes are the souls, the message that you're getting is it's so loud that you are OK, I can't ignore, I have to tell, tell this person this or you frame it in a way that you think it's a little nicer, easier to hear. I think it's a mixture, depending on what what it is. I've learned with, like, really intimate, whether it's like like pregnancy's or just like things that have happened in the past that are just very intimate and personal. I've kind of learned to the way you say it, it's like like I feel like will dictate how they will respond to something if you just see something down someone's throat in any capacity, I feel like people are very like, That's not what I don't shove something down my like, don't like ram it down my throat. Don't. Yeah, and like, don't be compassionate about it, and I, you know, you always get signs too, because you and I always go back and forth like the ladybugs and stuff, right? Jonathan, we I have to say the funniest. I thought of you yesterday because I ever will. We did our reading and you were like, That's so weird. And then you started getting them all the time. I all the time and I know the. Well, probably not crazy to anyone listening to this, but the ladybugs, they happen in the most random ways. And I feel like now now the signs are trying to outshine themselves with me. So yesterday, I swear to you, I was I'd made a salad and I, you know, say it's says triple washed right on the on the greens. You know, you take it out, you make a salad. I went down to buy and there was a ladybug in the salad like it had been in the greens would be to set this up, but I almost eight. I was like, Oh my God. And then I started busting out laughing as I was like, That is officially the most creative way to have me inside. But I said, Oh, and how cute? I'm talking to Jonathan Zorro. So yeah, the ladybugs are just such a big thing. Like, I now see them all the time, like when I'm going into my house, I'll be one like on the door or something like where you have to open the door to obviously go into the house like the screen door. And I'm like, You can't like, miss that. Like, it's like right in front of your face. It's like, absolutely like insane. What are they mean for you? Do they just mean like a sign from spirit or is like for me, it was always like a specific person, like a person that crossed like a specific sign. But did you like, do you just have it? It's like, Oh, cute, like a good little sign for spirit? Or is it mean anything specific? So to me, I what I've been attesting to, like when it comes, is like when I see a ladybug. It's like good things happening. I think like, like like positive things. And I know people can like, put so many different signs to that. But typically when I see them is like when I will have something going on or like a meeting coming up or, you know, things like that. So it's it's one of those where I'm like, I try not to read it. Yeah, like, I try not to read into it so much at times because I'm like, Oh my God, like, what's going to happen now with like something? But it's hard not to. I feel like when it's like right in front, I have this, we have the same. It's all crazy. But I wanted to, you know, jump in and just ask, like, how has it been working and being a mother like to a newborn? I know your mother already, but having a crazy household, how has it been? It's actually been good. I will say I'm really grateful and I'm really lucky because the type of work I do, I bring her to work with me. So she's on set with me. You know, I'm still feeding her. So I'm kind of it's a little insistence since that I go and I film. I do a scene and I run back and I feed her or I'm in her makeup and I've got baby on the boob and I'm feeding her, you know, in the makeup trailer. And it's it's as it's like, there's no real time off. Like, that's the feeling it is is just constantly thinking, OK, like so. And Callum is over here and my older daughter's over here and she's on set. So you just are. It's a big scheduling. It's like a calendar at all times in my head. It it feels like any leads weighing. You're like, Okay, no, I haven't seen. I need to go take Callum and I need to go over here. You start like trying to like balance it as much as possible. So three is definitely insane in that way. But as far as like, is it being harder now? It's just a little bit more of a circus, you know, it's a little bit more planning and managing, but this has been ironically with all the things going on still a very she's a peaceful baby. The postpartum period was all the colors as it always is, but it ultimately ended up being. I felt very supported. I have, like had great people at my family in town. I said, You end up being nice and I fell and it's funny. We always talk about intuition together, but I have felt this soul for a while. I just thought, Well, you know, maybe if it's meant to be about love, but I had felt it. So I feel like it now feels complete in a sense. So I, you know, I've just been able to feel a little bit almost calmer. Interestingly, that's like the best answer, like ever, because I because my like family is like, you know, everyone starting to have kids now and I see the constant like chaos that is like ensuing everyone's lives and it's like nonstop, too. Like, I always make a joke to like, you know, my parents and you know, my friends and stuff, and I always be like, We, we get to go home like, you know, like, like we get to play with them. And then like, you know, and it's it's a lot because one's four or no one's five and then it. Goes all the way down to like one, and they're like nonstop, like like running around, like being rough and like, you know, because there is two boys and a girl and the boys are just like true boys, like they're just want to be like thrown and like, you know, everything. So, oh, it's fun. I think the difference is like the first kid you have is the major shocking life change. Like, I remember your. Wait a minute. I went from just waking up and what am I going to do today? You know what I always figure like, should I go and hike with my friend? Like, you know, you'd have these like thoughts that were just so funny to me now? It's like, What are we going to eat for lunch today? I was just like this school that once you take that leap that your first child, then you've already jumped off your already swimmin, you're already there. It's like, what's one or two more? So you're it's like the first one's the biggest block in it in. Oh, right. But I never have my own time. No, that's that's what my cousin said. She was like, you know, the first one was like a whoa. Like, you know, everything. You know, we, you know, need all the help. And then the second one is still like a bit of a shock, but it's like they knew what they were doing with everything. It's it's so funny, it's so funny. And you know. With that, like my my cousin and just like my family and stuff like they all try to do like very. Stuff for their kids, like passion, stuff for their kids or whatever, do you have any like passion projects coming up like with them or for them or just in general? Well, yes. And my daughter, my older daughter Eva is really into Irish dance. And so we are we go to these things called sessions, which are Irish dance competitions, and it's wild. And she is obsessed. That's like her big passion. However, both of her feet are injured at the moment, most likely because of Irish dance. No to any mothers and fathers out there listening. If your kids are an Irish dance, hit me with all your suggestions because I dance 40 plus years in my life, obviously, and and I never had injuries like this. But there it's how hard they're hitting their feet. So she's on a break at the moment, so she's a little bit about that. But we're about to kind of gear up again and get ready for her, her big, her big regional competition. And then Callum is four, but he's physical into everything. He's slick basketball. He who he is a total total boy in that sense of he just wants to be rough and play and anything with sports balls. All that is amazing. However, he did just have a Taylor Swift concert for Vince. Basically, it was in a camp. You know, it was to say where he's at a school. So we're going, What a chore. A Taylor Swift camp that sounds great. Like, Yeah, of course. Go sing, shake it off and dance, and we'll come and watch the performance. But we showed up this performance and it was the cutest thing we've ever seen. And he he was fully following and seemingly into the dance genes as well. So that's the beauty, Rihanna. And we have no idea, you know, she's at this point. She's only two months, so her passion is to be cuddled and have lots of milk and smile. Those are. Those are good passions. Did your daughter, you're your oldest horse, are dancing the same age? You didn't. She usually got into it later. She right around eight years old. So I got into more round five. So she was about a and fully of her own ones. Like, she had watched some river dance videos and we watched a Riverdance animated movie and she loved to sense while was she loved with Irish legend and so much? I was like this she must have had past lives in Ireland like it was I. She just loved everything about it. And whilst I want to learn this dance and I said, OK, so we put her in a class and I didn't think she had at up until that point, she had shown no signs of rhythm, right? This is not a kid that I was like, Oh, she's I thought she's not going to dance. And then she fully shocked me and loves it and is still in it and is amazing. She's so good and she lets it. That's awesome. And it's as she's trying to go down the same. Maybe like, maybe not the same exact path as you, but like a similar path as far as like, you know, taking dance like very seriously and, you know, turning it into something that could be something even bigger than she probably thinks that it could be. Good question. I don't know. You know, she like she is really into it, but she's also really into anime and drawing. And she's expressed to me that when she, you know, she's Levins of What do we know? But when she is older and, you know, out of high school, she wants to go live in Tokyo and have a, you know, and do her drawing in her animation. And so, so like, I don't know if dance is her end all, be all like it was for me, but I will say she's like Super Super into it for now and wants to end just the whole competitive dancing thing. It was so how I grew up that there are definite moments where I'm at a competition. I cannot believe I'm back in this life like I've. I've been dance competitions again, and it's just it's so crazy now that it finds you. I just it because it's in the book, you know? Yeah, because I was going to say, like, it must be like a surreal moment when you're like doing the competitions, like when you're younger, going to all that, you know, like the competitive dance tournament and stuff and then being older and watching your daughter do it must be such a surreal moment. Like it's like, I can't imagine, like if I have a child and it decides to play lacrosse and I'm going to like a lacrosse tournament to be sitting there being like, what is what is going on right now? They said it would feel like that on that, and it's bizarre when you're on the other side of it, like being a dance mom is so much more stressful than being the dancer competing because I go through every emotion, I'm sweating, I'm like, so nervous. But then, you know, you forget, Let you did this, and you know what it's like to compete. But when you're watching it as a mother, it is like, I sit here, I have a video of me just watching and praying, OK, if you. One set down who said it's like you've tried to be chill, but you're so natural. Oh, I can't even imagine, I can't even imagine like I feel like on the sidelines. I'm going to be like, Oh my God, like, you got to do that. It's like, I'm going to be there just like freaking out. Just be like, you know, and I feel like I can't do that because like, everyone is different. Maybe my kid won't even play lacrosse or do this stuff that I do, and I don't want to push him to do anything that they don't want to like. Do so you don't want to have to. I never pushed her actually to the office. It was like, whatever you and I still feel this way, whatever you want to do, however long you want to do it, I'm there for as long as you love it. I had no idea she would get into dance. Like, no idea. I feel like that's like the best. It's just so crazy that it happens that way, you know? Do you bring her onto the set also, like you bring all your kids on a set like I know you were talking about your newborn, so I didn't know if you brought everyone else. What Effie was when she was a newborn, so she grew up on sets. She was on my I did this TV witches of East End right when she was born, and so she was on the set for those seasons. She grew up in hair and makeup trailers. She grew up, you know, on different sets, all over craft service everywhere, like she used to be the jokes she'd show up and be like she'd been this huge set, of course, crafts or she just wanted the snacks. We just take her to the snack table. That's all she really cared about. But she, yeah, she's so she's got to be many, many different sets. Callum, Funny, was born during the quarantine, so he hasn't been to any set and were just laughing about this whole Steve Rosen workouts. And he's like, It's such a middle child right now where, you know, he's like bad and gets to go to set and go on these one adventures every day. But he just sick of how he's born, and now he's in school so he doesn't come along to sets. However, I'm going to change that because he has to know that I play a firefighter with that, often because I will get the most amount of mom points, so I'm definitely going to be bringing him to set at some point soon. Four. For your show that you're on the rookie. Yeah, yeah. I want everyone to know that just so because it's such a good show and we spoke to your co-host, Eric or your co-star, I guess not. And I've been a host. Yeah, and I was I telling him which I definitely want to tell you to is, you know, a bunch of the first responders that I know I'm really close with and you know, everything it does such a good job depicting like life in it and life outside of it because I was telling him that and I was telling him that you guys do such a good job about portraying, you know, the struggles that you face like within the departments and then outside of the it's like personal life things. Yeah, it's just such a great job. So yeah, you should get extra credit points for that because I like for me, your son in everyone. That's the best compliment you could ever be given. And I've had that happen a few times where first responder will say, I love your show or I think you guys are amazing, you're doing a good job. It's like, Thank you. That's out of all the compliments is the best compliment because it just means we're we are equal parts, entertainment and equal parts doing justice to all the incredible work that they do on a daily basis. So yeah, it feels nice. That's really cool. And it's just nice to be a part of the show that people also find a bit of a guilty pleasure. That's nice. You know, I have a lot of people that come up to me and go, I love the rookie. It's my favorite guilty pleasure to watch, you know, my family watches it and we all watched it. I love that. What's your guilty pleasure of this show? What's your favorite like, guilty pleasure? Right now, it's really tough like we are. I swear to you, I'm like watching zero things because I get these kids to sleep. And then if I like in the bed and I'm like, I got to, we got to pump. No, this idea of sitting down to watch an hour show. But when I do get that time, my guilty plea, I mean, my guilty like reality show sort of thing was I used to love Love is blind was the first season I watched that. Like that was when I was breastfeeding Callum or hooked to that show. Kardashians has always been like a fun, guilty pleasure for me. Those girls are so nice. Just a side note. They're like the nicest girls. But I never had sisters growing up, so I feel like I watch a show like that. Like, What's it like to fight with sisters and do just like, Love your sisters, all that stuff. So that's a guilty pleasure. And outside of that, I love, I love, you know, one hour of romantic dramas or any kind of drama like that. Or, you know, I watch comedies, I watch everything. It's just when do I have time? While I was worried about to say, How do you prioritize like your time just so you can take a breath and just, you know, just kind of like get back to like, you know, yourself when you're on going on all cylinders? Yeah, it's it's hard. I. Know, if I think it's ever really possible to have everything balanced totally, and I think that that recognition sort of chilled me out a lot because somebody who. It'll keep me up at night thinking that one of my kids is not getting the attention they deserve or, you know, it's this sort of thing. But when you look at it as an overall picture and sort of like a bank account where if you take if you take up money, you deposit money back in and you just try and do that as much as possible, but know that you're never going to do it perfectly. So I try and in my head, it's like I weigh them all out, work my relationship, my kids, my production company, you know, my working out things that like. And you just can't exist with all the burners on at one time, but you can have two on and then turn them off for a second and then go to the other two. And so you just sort of have to try now to do do the most and do all things and and try and give it all the attention, just maybe not all at one time. So right now, for example, I have not been able to work out like that is just something that has not happened and I really miss it. And as a part of like how I'm going to start feeling even better post-baby, baby. But I give myself a break and say, OK, right now your burners are on with work, all the other kids on with your life and your partner, and that's just where you're at right now. You'll get there, you know? So I think it's a little of finding grace for yourself and good scheduling and prioritizing different things at different times. Yeah, it's it's difficult because you don't want to at times focus too much on one thing. They neglect the other. Like, I think like to find balance, like you were saying, is like the best thing. So you're not like burning like a wick on one end and then the other one is just like completely filled to the top or just I haven't burned yet. Like so I think balance is a good thing in speaking about your production company. Do you have any projects that are coming up or anything, you know, that's like we do, you know, ever hurt is I started it, and when I started my production company, someone gave me the great advice such as This is a you're in this because of your your passion and your, you know, your long vision with it. So development and production companies take years to really develop and and come to fruition, which was great advice because it is like that. It's there's a lot of different incredible projects we have going. And then every day, you know, one kind of takes a step forward, one takes it back. Then the next day, a different one takes two steps forward. So it's just about what are your overall intentions with it and trying to keep, you know, chugging forward and like making sure it's happening. And we have a lot of great things we have something with with two projects the Village Village Roadshow, two different films. One of them's a musical that we're really excited about based on a book, a couple different TV shows. You know, Jonathan, you have been in talks about stuff. There's a lot of different things going on and up and happening, and it's been really fun to develop. And this a great part of my brain to exercise. And I love creating things. And hopefully the dream is to have projects out there that people love and that bring them joy. And he's like, just like how? I know a lot of people say to me with the rookie, it's like, Well, that's the dream, right? There is to have something that you are a part of it making that make people stop their day for half a second to say, I just want you to know that show brings me joy this week or that thing you made makes me really happy or I watch it with my kids, or it made me feel something. I'm like, Well, that's what we do this for. No, and I think that's like the best thing. Why go into a project or just like anything in general, like it's just kind of what you just said is when someone comes up to you and they're like, you know, you're so, you know, blessed to like, you know, have a show that like people love and consistently love. Like, it's not like a one or two season thing which you know, everyone knows shows that goes on for a season or two years is going on for seven, right? And it's a great show and people love it. And to be able to do that and like, have people and I'm sure people message you all the time saying, this is, you know, that's their escape. You know, like when they're like, stressed like about life and stressed about, you know, things they could like, escape for an hour. They can escape for two hours, how many episodes they want to binge depending on, like, you know, their schedule and stuff. But I just think that's like the coolest thing. Like, four people come up to you and be like, you know, your character really did this for me and your show really did this for me. I think it's very cool, which, you know, is about the passion stuff and like going into your own project that you're passionate about and you're able to like change people's lives. I think that's very cool. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. And of course, that's love. I feel very blessed. Yeah. And like for people I don't know, like where, you know, in talks of doing something very cool, like I even am very excited about it. It's a really cool thing. I am, too. Like I said, it's about finding things that it's also in life, finding things that light you up. Someone said it's so true. It's like, follow the sparks, right? Like any time something sparks to you and you go, Oh, follow it, because that's your real essence. That's your soul, so to speak, saying, Hey, this is on path or this could, you know, feel good to do this? And like at the end of the day, that's what we're all I think here on this earth for. So it brought me so much joy when I thought of it. And you know, I'm sad. I'm your biggest fan. I think you're you're just who you are is really and you're just a good person. And also, your gift is really special and just your story, all of it. So maybe, hopefully will bring this to the world soon there. Cross that like I was telling people, and it's it's interesting you bring up like the spark that, you know, drives people to do something that's so important to them because for a long time and I'm sure people have heard me like, talk about this before about like with working on cases I never thought like that would be an interest to anyone if I'm being honest, like I thought, like it was always going to be like behind the scenes. It was always going to be like, you know, not really spoken about because like, you're dealing with such like intensity of like life and like cases and like the worst case scenario of like what can happen to someone to write typically. So I never thought in a million years, like, I talk about this all the time now with like my family, like not too much on here, but who would even care that like I was doing that right? Like who would even care and like who cared about my background? Like, you cared about stuff. I didn't know that there was such a huge audience about that or just like a huge interest, really. So now, like people, yeah, they talk to me strictly about like that stuff. Like, I don't need to talk like like smoking about anything else. Now it's always about updates. Updates. Updates on things like what? Yeah. Like what crimes am I working on? Like what cases like all that stuff? And I just I always sit back. I'm just like, What the heck? And that was my spark. My spark was always helping people and, you know, first responders and just everything. So and I wish I followed it sooner and like, spoke about it sooner because I didn't even know people cared. So I was just like, I'm just going to, you know, do my saying and see what happens. So yeah, it's part of your purpose. Say it like you helped so many people by doing that. So of course, and it is specific and unique. Now, I don't think most all sources were. I feel like there's a lot of intuitive people, but the way in which you're able to like, tune in to that and to help in that world seems specifically unique and special in that way. I think in the beginning, people were not 100 percent into like a medium working with like law enforcement like on both ends, like the public and even law enforcement, like just I'm just on both ends now. It's very different. Like, people don't even know like how different it is now with like the amount of people that will reach out, whether it's to me or other mediums or whoever. But even law enforcement now, like people don't even get that. And like, I'm very fortunate where I can share some of that stuff with people and like, have like deejays or people just like, really talk about it? Do they openly talk about it or is it sort of this thing where like within within each in the office, but also within the public school they speak about coming to you or calling you? Yeah. So I've had or now retired like FBI come out, say that they like, worked with me, retired. Like days like I've have like, you know, current day, like people that are in like the racketeering division or even like the unsolved division while like say that they used me so like they're becoming more vocal. And I think it's just based on like now public perception of doing that. It's not like as negative, but I always I always try to tell people and I probably repeated this before, but it's always on the last call, not the first. So people like people like, you know, I think people think like, Oh, something happened, let's call it blah blah blah blah. It's like now, like, I'm like the the last last call. But. Right, right, exactly. You're like they they're like, We want to use you. However, two million other things. Exactly. And but it's changing. And the fact that you seen that ships is pretty cool. I mean, I would imagine that's a that is probably something that they are they're opening up to more because it probably like you said your track record. He's been able to help. Yeah, and you know, and I'm and I'm thankful because a lot of the families will come forward also too. So it's like you have like on on like both ends and, you know, like Gabby's mom, Gabby, because mom, just I remember seeing that and then I just texted me today, wow. Like, yeah, because Gabby's passing is today. Oh, it's anniversary today. Oh yeah. So she like, texted me and she's just like, Oh my God, like, you know? Remember this like for blah blah blah, like when we were doing all this, and you know, it's it's it's surreal because you form a bond with these families and you know that it's like on like I will do anything for and she called me, it's just like one of those where, like, if any, family I worked with in law enforcement and I'm sure you do like like when you build these bonds, you just want to help people like kind of right, like right away. So people go and they don't even speak about when they're sad, depressed or whatever. And then they use your show and things you've done in the past as like an escape to really like kind of build momentum mentally for them to like not do these things that maybe they're not happy with in life. So have received some messages that really touched my heart of people that, you know, we've all been through really tough, difficult times in life. And there's a there's certain things that we kind of come into our path for a reason that lift us up. And the rookie and honestly, some other projects I've done have been that for people. And that's like to me, that's so meaningful because I've had that. I've had that thing where you're really down and you're super upset about something in your life just feels happy and then something comes in and lifts it. So, yeah, that's just that. That's the best feeling, I'm sure. Step up to that for a lot of people. Yeah, it was was worse than that way. Yes, it has a had to have issues like a make a mega movie and, you know, and must have done that for like so many people like so many people. Yeah, that movie fascinates me too, because when we filmed that movie, we had no idea that it was going to be a big film. Like, I believe it is like a very small, you know, decent budget, but not anywhere near big budget movie. And it was going to be just this small little dance movie, you know, it was going to be hopefully good. And I had a had touchstone in Disney and Disney was behind it. But it was not like a big Disney movie anyways. It did so well. It shocked everybody. And I did have people I still do have. People come up to me all the time how that movie. A lot of people say, when I was a kid, that movie made me get into dance and like, Oh my god, I made you get into dance. Like, That's so crazy, cool, you know, for me. Dirty Dancing was like the movie of the time, you know? And so I go, and then even now, little kids will find me. You know, it's so funny. I always say airport because it's always like at the airport or like at the grocery store. But little kids will find me and say, I love you, movie step up. And I went, You weren't even born when we made this movie. And she's like, Yeah, I watched it, you know, so that movie has legs. It finds people still. It's still inspiring dancers, which is hilarious to me and also incredible. So I'm yeah and 100 percent and change my life in so many ways. That movie? Do you think by redoing it or doing like? Because I know there's been like a few like, you know, more, but I you thought about doing like revamping and a little bit. Well, they did so many sequels. I know, and we produced a TV show in it. But you know, with us, interesting. That would be really good. They just go for a whole new remake of it kind of really just doing the original movie and seeing if you can redo it. In a sense, it's like the dance movie. It's it. We just we continue to recycle and recreate the same story, but because it works. We all love a good feel good romantic dance movie everybody wants. It looks like it makes sense. It was my guilty pleasure if I'm being honest. So get this whole time and not told me this. Wait a minute. No, of course not. It's so cool. What's your guilty pleasure all? Yeah, yeah. I mean, I could tell you all, all my friends growing up. Everyone watched it. I mean, like football players, wrestlers, all the people. I was like, everyone was s**t, but maybe we didn't like, you know, tell me, I feel like nobody. It was really good. It was my guilty every time anyone was watching. I mean, I will say, I think it's a well done dance movie for sure. Gives it, gives needs to give. But that's so cute. You loved it. And that's actually really interesting to me like a guy, because you think it's like so many women that watch super, but there's a lot of guys that say that to you that I should have really liked it. And it's the combination, you know, up with the bow. Hey, kind of brought we brought in some male audience. I used to play the piano like I used to be like, pretty good at the piano. And then as I got older and stuff, I was like, Oh, I'm playing football wrestling, you know, I'm doing all this stuff, and I'm like, I don't think a piano fits into like what I'm doing as. Good guy, so he stopped playing, and that's like one of the biggest regrets that I had is to stop playing the piano. And it was because of male female role. But you know, that movie really like made me question being like, Do I go back to doing it? Well, yeah, because you had also like the miles' character who was super thick and then you had cancer. I mean, the cool thing about step up was, I think and what I look at a lot and a lot of people tell me this is, I think that it was pretty authentic. You know, I was a real dancer who grew up doing ballet and contemporary, and it was my first acting job, really, but it was, you know, I was very much in that world. Chan was a very much, you know, he had danced hip hop. He was at like it was authentic in. I think that that's it just captured a certain energy that that is rare, but like you said, inspires you to be like, Oh, I can be a guy and dance and play the piano. And yes, we need more men like that. Yes, I know, and I'm so mad myself. I kick myself. Like, I'm like, Why did I think like that? I'm like, Oh my god. So on that note, on a positive note, I would love to give you a reading. Oh my god. You know, I love your readings. I love it. I'm here for it. Well, you know how I do things always just kind of like, stare off. So I'm going to do that. And then we have any questions along the way. Just stop by and you can ask me and anything you want. Perfect. Thank you, Jonathan. So you have two people here, and I'm going to tell you who because there are two separate people, so I want if you want to talk to one more than the other, you can let me know what I'm trying to say because they're both here, very strong. But on it's not family to. I think it's potentially your husband's mom is here with an R name. She has an R name, it seems. But then you have someone with an interesting name with a D name. It's not like a Daniel David, but it's a D name. I want to go to him just for one second only because there's a whole thing that he is talking about. And I know I just said I would let you choose. I'm so sorry, but I will go back to the other person. I do promise, I do promise. I just want to go to him because there is a lot of things that are going on and he keeps tapping like now because UBC signifying summertime is a crazy time for most families. I understand that. But he's talking about a home that is a summer home that he's saying has caused. And he's smiling at this. He's saying, like at 360, like like a like a chaos that's going on because he's talking about you and your mom. OK, this is crazy that Jesus came through, actually. Did you just meet a new family member within the air like someone that you've never met before? Did you meet someone new? Yes, yes, we might. We have a cousin that, yeah, we we just met for the first time. Yes, because he's very proud of you. Very welcoming your cousin with like the biggest open arms, as I'm sure most people can probably like attest to this being like it's, you know, it's different in life when you meet someone, it's like, Are you going to get along when you're especially when you're older, but you keep saying you let them into like your life, your home, your felt like everything like just like the full thing. Yes, John. And yes, he was always tapping his head in, flickering his brain at me when someone does that to me. And I know brain capacity of like someone passing comes in so many different ways, whether it's mental illness or like the typical brain like Alzheimer's mass or anything revolve around the brain. But he keeps talking to me about, Listen, I think we all get depressed in life, and I think we all have anxiety in it, and it's how we deal with it at times. And because he keeps smiling at me saying he's not in that mindset anymore. And because what he keeps saying to me and I wanted to ask you this, he keeps saying a broken heart can make people do crazy things and not like. Yes, he he this is my grandfather. First of all, for everyone, this is Dudley, which I'm positive you're talking to is my grandfather, which is the D name, which is bizarre, but a D name. And yes, he he took his own life and my grandmother had passed a few years before that, and it was very difficult for him. So, you know, just then your read on because what he's also saying to me too, just so you know, is that he's he's whole again, like and yes, when we all go to the other side, we're whole. But he's saying he's whole again in the sense of his broken heart. It's not broken anymore. And what he keeps also showing to me too. On the same thing of that is he's he's like thanking and apologizing to you and your family because he's saying that you guys tried to help him and he's saying behind closed doors, this isn't like something, you know, obviously, that people want to prance from their rooftops when, what, what they're doing. But he keeps showing to me that you guys went above and beyond and he's smiling, saying, you know, sometimes when you're hardheaded, like it's hard to get through to someone, is what he keeps saying. And when he's also showing to me too, which I find interesting, he keeps cheers ing me right, heaps cheers ing me. And he keeps saying like self-medication is not medication is what he keeps saying to me. Like, You can't self-medicate and fix a problem. And he's smiling, saying to me that, you know, he left in an intensive way. But he's happy right now because he's saying he's just all hardly happy because he's just saying for like that heartbreak. I think it hit him a lot harder than I think he thought it would, to be honest, because he's saying that he he's A. He's a tough man prior, like he was a strong, tough man prior. Good man, tough man. But he's saying like that really like ripped him apart is what he's saying. And then also, your husband's mom is coming through. This is so up to heaven. Who is there are the army in the rename because she keeps showing me or our. But it's a nickname. It's not a name. It's a nickname. So it's what she's called rebel. Okay? Because she's saying it. She's called. It's not a name. It's a nickname, is what you keep saying. Yes, Jonathan, that her name was Kathy, but her her at the Reba was was her original first name on my original first name. But they called her rebel. Yes, your name. If I'm being honest because she's smiling, saying, like, that's like the nickname that she wants me to a colleague refer to her by. It seems for some reasons I like. That's why I wanted to ask you, like, what's the nickname in? And so she was saying that for like, even like coming through with your grandfather at the same time, like, that's the first thing that she was kind of showing to me. And then also, she is playing with your new baby girl. I mean, like with with all your kids, right? But she is like actively like being very like involved with you, with your husband and with your children. What she's also saying to because she's very proud of like the chaos. That's like going on outside, inside, everywhere, around how you make it such a home for your family, like such a mom because she's she's a big. She seems like a very great mother like and keeps saying that she wants you to tell your husband that she also feels the same that she was cheated to is what she keeps saying, and she also feels the same that she was not able to have such an extensive long life. Like she's also saying like, and she's shown this to me into, I don't know if she thing in the literal sense, like the metaphorical sense, if I'm being honest that sometimes if something burns down, you don't need objects to remember someone is. But she keeps saying so. She's saying if something is like she knows that he always remembers her, whether it's with a physical item or not. So like, yes, I totally get what you're saying. Well, she's also laughing to you because the name of your newborn has the same initials. Her nickname, it seems. So, yeah. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Because. And as she's laughing, she's like, you know, like, that's for her in her own mind. It's not like, you know, like, she's just laughing at that being like, like, that's really what she misses him dearly, and I want to share this to you because she showed this to me. I know December is such a good time for Christmas and the holidays. You know all that. But she keeps flickering December to me, showing to me like it's a significant month aside from the holiday time where there's a birthday and an anniversary or something. Herbert Days No. Yes, yes. Yes, yes, OK. Because because she's saying, aside from the positive times of that, like she has a positive image now your grandfather's going back to you. Just say, you know, because he's saying that your mom, he's very proud of your mom and you for. And he's laughing at this. So that's why he's always saying this is like, you know, families are people that want certain things and to do certain things, whether someone agrees or no one agrees. And he's saying, sticking to your guns in a family that you know, wants to go in different directions because he keeps saying it's like a group against your mom and you, it's like, typically it's. And he keeps saying that he's just very proud of how you guys are standing your ground and how much he misses and loves everyone, like so much so. Wow. Oh my god. Well, Jonathan, like, first of all, I'm blown away, but that is very true. What's happening right now, like the family is, is seemingly feeling divided. It is. Yes, you're you've nailed it. And that will mean so it means so much to me. But I mean so much my mom to know just to feel that reassurance from her dad. That's like, you're doing the right thing and and you're a good person. And you know, this is this is right. Yeah, he's very proud. But I wanna say thank you for letting me do this. Thank you. Thank you. At TSB, our green mortgage gets you moving, whether you're building, buying or moving to an energy efficient home. Apply online and track your progress on our portal and with our dedicated mortgage team to guide you along the way. It all comes together for a mortgage experience that's altogether more human PTSD. Apply online today availability or certificate of A1 to B3 inclusive as required lending criteria. Terms and conditions apply. Overrating daily security and insurance is required. Permanent TSB policy trading as PTSD is regulated by the Central Bank of Ireland. One amazing reading now I get DMs emails from so many people asking how to get a reading. Well, now we're up to the families in proportion and how to be entered and consider to do this is so easy. Just go to my Instagram at Jonathan Mark Medium and just send me DM and I'll be able to pick one of you guys at random. All right, guys, let's get into it. I'll explain to you very quickly how I do this. Just so you're not, like super weirded out by anything, but basically I stare off only because it's just a way for me to blank out my mind when I do this, and I don't like going off of anyone's reaction. But if you have any questions along the way, like, obviously, stop me, tell me to shut up whatever you want to do. OK. You've been, I guess, pretty fairly young male coming through. Well, the first thing I want to say is I don't know if he's military or not because he the person keeps saluting me. Just that's a sign for me, just like when military or anyone that's in that initial like field. But this is, yeah, who's the teeny like? A very unusual teeny tijd. I don't mean I don't mean to sound rude by calling it unusual. I just never heard of it. No, no. So probably pretty normal Indian name. OK, but yeah, I didn't want to be rude in any type. No. So I'm sorry. I do want to tell you it's going to be a little intense just because this is what he's I'm going to tell you exactly what he's showing to me. This is crazy. This can't be right. He was putting a plane crash or something. Yeah, that makes that makes a lot of sense. That's how he died. Yeah, my god. Because so there's there's a couple of things he keeps me like for one. I'm assuming he was a he was fairly young and in great shape and just things like that because he's smiling and saying that to me, that he was young and good shape and stuff like that. He his, you know, his personality, still his personality. I probably will say the second thing he keeps like showing to me too is, I guess there was something that was like, obviously there was a plane crash, something had happened. But what he's saying to me is he went off kind of knowing something was not like fully at its full capacity. There was not something that was like there. And he's smiling because he keeps saying that it was you keep saying in any other circumstance because so this is what's confusing to me, and I'm going to tell you what he's putting in my head. He's saying that. But then he keeps putting and majority people will know about the Kobe Bryant situation with the helicopter, with inclement weather. Right? It's like there's like the inclement weather factor. He keeps saying, it's like all these different factors. He put it together, like something was not at its full capacity. There's inclement weather. And then this had happened because what he's saying to me about is even with something not being a hundred percent full capacity, whatever it is, if it wasn't for that side of things, it seems that he's smiling, saying he could have figured out because he is saying to me he was a very smart person like, and again, I'm not saying this because he's again, he has a very good personality. I'm 100 percent very personality to him. But it really does seem like he was very good at what, like what he was meant to do with like flying planes and maybe or something like that. But he is saying to me, though, that. He's making a joke, so I'm just going to tell you the joke. Is he's saying those like damn clouds, damn weather, like he keeps saying that to me and I will tell him, like even in the grand scheme of everything like he's he had to have been such a good person if he's making light of a very dark situation. If I'm being honest and he's smiling saying that, I'm assuming this is who you wanted to come through because he's saying he's listened and now he's here is way you keep saying. And what he's saying to me, too is I'm assuming you guys spoke very shortly before this incident had happened or something because he keeps saying he either literally saw you days before Day of spoke to you. And he keeps also saying this too. And I, of course, you know, Halloween is coming up. I understand that he keeps saying that he used to dress up, I'm assuming, and he seemed like like, like I said, he seems to be very. That was his favorite holiday. Yeah, yeah. I can see. He literally keeps putting like the pumpkins in front of me, and he keeps clapping his hands, saying that was his time. So I'm like, I know Halloween's coming up. I mean, we're in the very beginning of September. I do get that. But like Halloween is essentially coming up. Yeah, I mean, his sister loves Halloween. And yeah, even like the text messages right before he passed on his way back, you know, we had some text exchanges just getting ready for him to come back to the states. And yes, that all rings very true. So I want to ask you this because I'm just assuming because he I mean, he's saying this and he's joking around a lot. So I can't tell if he's being serious or not with this. If I'm being honest with you, it's very silly. Yeah, yeah. He keeps joking around about stuff. So like, this is where my confusion sometimes lies with what it comes to this. Was it like a pretty big story because he keeps saying that he, no matter what the situation wasn't, then he always, you know, would have been in the front of like a newspaper is what he's joking. Like, he's just joking to me saying that like, it seems like I don't remember this. Maybe because it didn't happen here. I don't know. But he keeps saying that it was actually a pretty big story. And what he's also saying, too, is, which is interesting. You brought up he was going to come back, I guess, to where he lived in the next couple of days because he's smiling, saying so close. But yet so far is what he kept showing to me that his time was pretty much done with, like what ever he was doing. And when he's also laughing about because he's pointing at you about this, I guess he flew planes. You must do something with engines and stuff too, because he keeps saying that you two are not so different as what you keep saying. I don't know if you fly planes do, but like, no, no, no, I don't. I'm an aerospace is like the last couple of years. And so, yeah, there have been a lot of like parallel paths. Yeah, he's just completely smiling about because he feels like he influenced you. Like, again, his personality can't tell if he's joking or not. Oh yeah, OK, because I couldn't tell you. OK, so why? Well, because he's he's like, I'm the reason. Like, you know, he's joking, what what? He's also saying to you, I guess you guys must have been extremely, extremely, extremely close. Like, very, very close. He's bought new kisses. He's kissing your face like he's just shown to me that, you know, he also seemed like he was a really good time, too, if I'm being honest with you. He was very fun. Yeah, yeah. We went out a lot, partied. We had friends like we've yeah. Yeah, we've spent a lot of time together and his has become mine and vice versa. Over the years, he he's bragging about, if you want to have a good time, you go to him like you want to like a good time, you go to him. But what he is also saying, which he said before, is because he's saying this and like in a serious way. Now I know his, you know, you always think and you always talk about him, which we do with a lot of people, obviously in our lives. But he's saying specifically with him because he's saying that this death, obviously, from what I can tell from this. Obviously, it's tragic. Like, Yeah, but what he's also saying to me too, is, I guess you like, like I said, just before you must have been close because he's saying, anytime you talk, think about him, which it seems like you do. Often I'm assuming, because he's saying he always tries to. Show himself to you and late night in a weird way, but he's also saying to to me that he. He's making a joke, if you were going to go to Medium. You don't think he was going to come through. He's laughing, saying you had another thing coming. He's just saying like that would be bizarre of him not to like. He keeps saying it would be bizarre for him not to be kind of front and center. That's what he keeps saying to me. So like that. Yeah, I could. That makes sense. That tracks. Yeah. So that's kind of what he was. Can't imagine him not coming through. Exactly, exactly. But, you know, obviously I would, you know, love for you to share everything you know about him. And yeah, just so people can hear about him says, I have to be honest. He must have an interesting story. He has to he. He's a cool guy, but it is so tragic and he must have been military or someone that worked something like that because he is as funny and, you know, smart as he does seem very intelligent. He's also very regimented and also very just like, put together. Yeah. So because he's saying to me that he could build like he's one of those people, he's saying that he can learn to look at something and figure it out without even like thinking too hard about it. And he's making a joke. And sorry, I know I said, I'm done, but he talks a lot, so I can't stop. But but he he is saying to me that. Like, he was like, you know, how people always say, like, there's always that person that's like, good at school, good at sports, good at like people like like people always get are like, how is that person good at everything? Like, he's smiling, saying, like he was that person, like he was the person that people make movies about and stuff. And he's saying, people, he's hoping that people share his story more because he's saying his story should not be forgotten because this must have happened close to 10 years ago, because he's saying it must have been because you mean he's going. He's showing me 10. But I don't know if it's 10 years, less than 10 years, over 10 years, around 10 years. But it seems to have happened like, relatively like a decent amount of time ago. But he does want his story shared. Like, that's a huge thing for him because he's saying that it's like clicking on like that like. So, yeah, I mean, it was made international news. Oh, did OK? Yeah, I mean, it happened. The plane crash happened over England and became, you know, he was from the U.S. So I met him in 20 2007. Maybe. And, you know, dated off and on over the course of like 10 years and we just became like family, you know, even when I was in a relationship or he was in a relationship, we still were friends and kept in touch. And. And then he was living in San Diego and, you know, he'd go on tour, you know, with the Marines. He was a fighter pilot in the Marines for many years. And then, yeah, his last tour to Bahrain was in 2015. So he had a big send off party for him with all of his friends in San Diego. And that was the last time that I saw him, and then he was gone for seven months and then on his way back, the jet crashed over England. I think his jet malfunctioned and on the way down he had the choice to either eject or veer the plane away from a home down below, and he chose the heroic path and steered the jet away from home and a family. So that was in October of 2000. 15. Well, that's just a coincidence that he likes Halloween. Do I just like it? Yeah, that's like an absolute coincidence. Because, yeah, because he was putting like the pumpkins, like I'm saying in front of me and I'm like, either, like, there's some significance there. But he's also saying to me, to you that dressing up and partying and being like. Because it seems like he was very regimented, like I was like saying, but it also seems like he has a side to him that is like so fun. So it's like a very interesting mix to be like regimented and then like this center party animal, you know, he definitely yeah, he wasn't like a big drinker, really or anything, but he definitely knew how to, like, work hard, play hard. And I think the time that he spent with his friends and family was super valuable and it was always quality time. And then when it was back to work, it was back to work. So he knew how to have that balance. If he sounds like a hero and thank you for letting me do this. Yes, no. Thank you. I appreciate it. Guys, thank you so much for listening to the show. Now, every week, I'm going to be picking one of you guys to come on to do a reading and how to be considered entered is go to my Instagram at Jonathan Mark Medium and just send me DM. And guys, please, wherever you get your podcasts, please read it, subscribe and follow. It would mean everything to me. All right, guys, I'll see you next week.

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