Karma & Chaos with Kail Lowry & Becky Hayter

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Hello, can you hear me? Yeah, how's it going? Good, I can hear you for a second there. I don't know what happened, strange the failures and the misgivings of our audio pathologists. That does bring us to some news. Should we give the good people the good news for good news, the tidings of great joy? Yes. Ladies and gentlemen, Lauren and I have invested three figures into new audio equipment. That's how much this podcast is becoming a black hole of throwing money into the abyss. We are now just thrown down a good chunk of change for some professional microphone, so we sound less crappy as we record for you, people. I've never even spent that much money at a Nordstrom rack. We spent three hundred dollars on this audio equipment per person. I've never spent more than three hundred dollars at a shopping place. Yeah, we sure did. We threw down some big bucks, so hopefully it pays off and we don't sound so crappy. Yeah. Fingers crossed. If not, we're probably going to have to call this podcast quits because we'll have poured, you know, everything into it. I feel like with this podcast is like a continual process of packing a bag to get on a train. But the train never is leaving the station. They're just always prepping to leave. Always prepping to leave. Always stressing about having to prep to leave. And you just shouldn't stress because the train is not going anywhere. No, it's not. I'm glad we have a faithful like three listener. So, yeah, I'm have a faithful three listeners. How much does this possibly savage? This podcast cost us a month to create? Oh gosh, yeah. What is it like? How much per host it costs us each 250 dollars a month. It's a car payment, folks. That's a lease. That's a Mazda lease for you. And given that we have probably a solid two listeners, each will be four listeners. We're basically spending one hundred dollars on each person I'm spending, and I'm sure they'd rather just get the one hundred dollars I have this podcast in our lives. Can any of you in good faith tell us that you rather listen to us than have cash? Because I couldn't? If we're just going to continue to flatline, we might as well just get these people Venmo addresses and send the monthly cheque or or Venmo and call it a day. And then I can have my four hours and 250 dollars back a month. Honestly, I think we'd also maybe you'll fight less about content about whether or not we should talk about Elon if we were just Venmo ing our fans. Yeah, I would preserve our sisterly relationship. It would preserve the value that we brought into the world, potentially up it because I'm sure people would rather have the cash. We'd have better relationships with our mother. Absolutely. There's a lot of pros. OK, so basically we're quitting the podcast, you guys. It's been really fun. Yeah, here we are. Can we just sign off now? Let's sign off. Thanks, folks. Can I talk about mom for a second? I a real obstacle mom. Honestly, I don't even care. Let's just break every rule. Or either because this is the last podcast, so we're going to go balls to the walls. Yeah. Get your balls on the wall. Let's hear it. Yeah, we really are breaking all the rules today. So there's this video of Cardi B, where she's giving advice to her friends about if their friends are acting different around her. You're a man. Like what? You should be suspicious of. I love it. It's one of my favorite pieces of content on the internet. I love Cardi B and I was recently watching it and I thought, I need to post this on my story because it's still important. It's still relevant, and I want you to know that I had it up for maybe 10 minutes before mom DMs me and chase Chandler and all caps. Take this down. We don't talk that way in our family. And then I received a follow up text and said. I'm just going to skip through, I'm just gonna skip to the highlights, folks. She says not only do you make our family look bad, but you make me look bad and I want all my friends to unfollow you. I'm honestly ready to restart this podcast under a different name and get mom off the off the subscribers so we can actually chat honestly. I know it's like I'm being censored, left and right. I'm a grown woman. I'm turning twenty five in two weeks. Nobody forget. Yeah, nobody forget. How long will we continue to be censored as women and as adults? Lauren, that's a fantastic question. Honestly, it gives me like a lot to reflect on because I did immediately take down the Cardi B post because I just was not interested in fighting the good fight. I will think during the week, oh, they said, Oh, I want to tell this story. Oh, I want to say how this went. Nope, I can't do this. Nope, I can't say it. Mom listens to this, and I'm just ready to throw off the shackles. Let's throw off the shackles. Let's not quit the podcast. Let's just restart it. Let's quit. Or we'll have wasted all the money we've spent on pop apologist. Let's rebrand completely. I've been thinking that we need to rebrand anyway, because how apologies. I'm not even sure that it truly describes what our podcast is. And so I'm actually ready to just bring this thing to the ground. Let's bring it to the ground. So should we sign off now again by, OK, how are you? How is it that none of that was a joke for me? I really am feeling like we probably should change our podcast name. Do you feel that way at all? Never. Lauren, I love our branding and I love our name. And until I'm thrown out of whatever creative agency I'm working out for being outdated, I don't want to change it. OK, let's stick with the name. But what I think that we should do is create some sort of patron and so potentially we can try to swindle one person out of the four ninety nine a month and we can have an uncensored version of the pod. What would our cut look like of $5 a month from one person swap between the two of us after patron takes their cut? Probably we still owe patron money like still a charge a dollar. We'd have to give them some sort of down payment to allow us to be on their platform. I'm ready to pay, though, for freedom of expression. A man is all about like freedom of speech and the Constitution and a man American, but not for her children, not for her 30 year old daughter. Where are my First Amendment rights? Where? I'm sorry. But did the founding fathers not found freedom free for me? Or was it just for our mother and not for her children? Seems like my birthright. We will say whatever the hell I want. Wow, that was like that was really stirring. I hope that was inspiring to all of you. I really I really do feel that. So let's just try to brainstorm at some point what the name of our page you're on. We're like prisoner eight four six one. Oh, that's a zip code. I think that's actually what the prisoner meant. No, I think that is. I think that is. I thought it was like two four six oh one. Or maybe it is two words. Wait, that was like a Freudian slip for when I was working a terrible job in Provo prisoner eight for six or nine holes into the prisoner number Raimi's 246. Oh one. Oh gosh. OK, anyhoo, we really are prisoners and it's time for us to throw off the shackles, as you said. One day, I'll save everything I want to say for the picture on Sunday, but let's just speak through the filter for now. Chan, the week has it been for you? OK, so last week I two weekends ago I had a COVID scare and that was my second full weekend in the city. And that was really devastating to me because I was fully ready to throw myself on San Francisco and I cut it. So after I tested negative, I got back on Hinge with a fury and I was starting to feel some dates. And I chatted with this guy and it was going really well, and then he ended up flaking. Will he cancel? Because I don't know. Who knows? The excuse was miserable, but I sent a screenshot of him canceling back to him. My gosh, did you conclude whatever business? No, this is what happened. I don't know for sure that he got it because I immediately. I'm good in crisis, as we've talked about before. I went straight into airplane mode and then I turned my phone off. So that was just like, Gosh, no chance. When I turned my phone back on, the picture did not say delivered, and then I deleted it. I still don't know if it's sent. I haven't heard from him since. Interesting. Wow. OK, so if any of you currently work at the Genius Bar and you could let us know whether that text got to him, though? Fantastic. I might be calling T-Mobile this week, but basically, folks, if you wanted to send a text message, the trick is to immediately turn off your cellular data, go into airplane mode, then turn your phone off. And then upon turning your phone on delete, the message that was trying to send to lyrics is, If you look back in my phone, especially in the screenshot section back a couple of years, it suddenly becomes for the past 10 years, all screenshots of texts with guys that I would send to people daily, either to dissect or to ridicule one of the two. And it's shocking to me that never happened. So this has never happened to ever happened to me. Have you ever accidentally sent a screenshot of someone you were maybe talking some s**t on to them? No. What have I done? That's embarrassing over text. I mean, my biggest thing was texting the wrong person. Thinking was not the kind of thing. You're on a date with someone accidentally. So I did have one big kerfuffle, but I never sent screenshots accidentally. So yeah, there was a low. But altogether, I'm going to say that the week was really good. Good. How was your week? What's what's the latest? My week was fine, but you know who's week was not OK was not well. Simon Cowell's Have you heard about this? Oh, that was one hell of a segue way. I notice an outline that you're like, It's boring whenever we say, How is your week good? How is your week good? So I figured I would just get straight to celebrity news. Keep you happy. Yeah. Straight to Simon Cowell if we can call that celebrity news. Simon Cowell, everyone is wondering how he's doing and not, well, b***h, because guess what? Last week he was riding his electric scooter or electric bike. I'm sorry, electric bike is already boring to me. OK. This story is actually riveting. He was writing his electric bike in his own courtyard of his house, trying it out for the first time and broke his back. I'm sorry. Wait. You could have chosen literally any story from the news to be like, Oh, they didn't have a great week and you chose this one. I think that fans of American Idol everywhere really would love to know if Simon Cowell was in the hospital. I'm here to report to them that, yes, the discover of talent such as Kelly Clarkson, such as Keep going to Katharine McPhee. OK. Carrie Underwood. Ruben Studdard. Fantasia. Ruben Studdard. Absolutely. Clay Aiken. But oh my gosh. Yes, I would love to be. What is invisible? A shadow on the wall? Are those Clay Aiken songs that you actually just knew and referenced? Yes, those lyrics to Clay Aiken that's actually embarrassing that you know about some Clay Aiken songs. And I was invisible, and he was like running for office. All right, down to our ready. Are you using my Spotify by any chance? No, why somebody like I keep logging on my Spotify and it takes me back to whatever I'm playing and it keeps going back to this Ellen Pompeo random podcast interview. You know, it seems like, yes, I am. Oh, I agree. Do I fricking knew? And I'm like, What idiot? I'm like, I don't give a s**t about Ellen Pompeo. Oh my god. I logged India's Spotify because I wanted to listen to this podcast interview of Ellen Pompeo this week, and you can listen to on Spotify and don't have a subscription. So I downloaded Spotify and log into your account. Yes, I am caught. OK? How did you use my? How did you get my log in? I don't know. I just was. No, how did you get my log in the password, Lauren? Be honest with the podcast right now. How many of my logins do have? I have every login you have? Gentlemen, your time is in my password keychain. Do not send me anything incriminating because my sister has access to literally everything. I don't know how I got into these shackles, but she has them wrapped around me and I'll be damned if we ever become a unshackled, that's for sure. This is so funny because I literally saw this, and I'm like, There's no way this is Lauren. I'm like, I'm just going to bring this up to be funny, and we can be like, Oh, what weirdos doing this? Of course, it's freaking you the same way. I need to tell the part about you posting on San Clemente life as me. Whatever, let's just it's all. We're laying it all bare. Lauren used to our town where we grew up. San Clemente has a Facebook page where it's notorious for people reporting kids speeding. Just any sort of hoodlums or town happenings get reported on San Clemente life. It's also an open forum if you are looking for any sort of local businesses, any who. I look on my Facebook and I look at San Clemente life, and I see that I have all these comments and I'm like, what? Upon further inspection, I have posted in San Clemente life saying in search of a tailor in search of a local seamstress. Oh yes. And in as I aso of a local seamstress because I want to start a dress company at one point, and so I want to partner with a local seamstress. OK, what else is there to realize? I had several friends from high school text me and say, Are you OK? I posted several things as you. How do you know? And I, well, it wasn't until I was like, Lauren, this is actually annoying that you like. Got your own Facebook. Can you go back to Simon Cowell? Yeah. I just want to say that this was hard hitting breaking news on the Daily Mail, and a lot of people were talking about it. And I also want to say that I don't remember that much of Simon Cowell except for this one thing I remember, which is that did you know that he used to buy all of his ex-girlfriends jobs? Yeah, I actually didn't know that. Is notorious for it. Yeah. I always felt first. I thought that was rude, right? Like, totally misogynistic. That's disgusting. But on further inspection, I'm thinking like, Wow, how incredibly generous. Like, I would love to start dating someone if I was single again and found to be like, Hey, here's a cool 20 K. Just get hotter, you know, just enjoy just a thousand percent if they give you just like a beauty stipend, like a lump sum. I'm so in. I think it's annoying to be be prescriptive about get this work done, but just 20 grand to beautify done. Even if they said, Hey, this little nip, this little tuck, no would be killer. And here's the money to pay for it would be killer if you. Lauren, this little nip and tuck would be killer if it came with a 20 K check all day. It's called the Campfire Rule Channeler Lisa. Something better than you found it, and I appreciate it. Wow, amazing. I love this. I look forward to Simon. Khalistan, you are now what? I don't have anything for my ex-boyfriends except for, like embarrassing memories and like moments of mortification. I would love to walk away with a hot, hot new set of boobs. So anyway, I just want to throw that out there. Yeah, that's I think that would be a fantastic journey for you, and I would support you. One hundred percent. Thank you. I wouldn't need your support, though, since I write, I will support you physically. Actually, there's one other thing I need to talk about that happened to me this week, and I know this is going to be depressing for the audience, but I've diagnosed myself with the carpal tunnel. Kagan thinks he has carpal tunnel to what? Yeah, he like all that time. He has a wrist brace. He's well, no, I think I might have to like, Oh my gosh, OK, wait, OK, this is what I was like holding his hand at dinner tonight because it hurt him. Yes. I don't even know what this means. OK, carpal tunnel. It's for people to truly work hard. Yeah, I wouldn't have no clue. Basically, your finger? Well, what happens to me is that my wrists kind of ache and my fingers go numb. That's a really not good. I don't scare me, but I think it's because I am like, clench all day, like with my hands on my wrist, like I have not. I've not been taking my life seriously. And or how do I say this? Let's just say that ergonomic is a word I learned recently. Oh yeah. Like an ergonomic mouse and Lauren, I now have had to read it my whole workstation set up. It's not as cute as it used to be. It's definitely not as like a gamer mouse. I'm going to have to get one and honey because I had one at stance when I used to and I I I could have given you my old one, except for I never went back to stance and got any of my stuff. I just left it all there, which would have given me like a 70 dollars mouse. Yeah, and like an ergonomic keyboard and saved my carpal tunnel. This is people like you don't even know what it's like. Let's see. Carpal tunnel that I'm calling it, Oh. Oh my God, I need to actually take this off line and talk to Kagan about this, but basically a word to the wise don't take your life for granted. I was. I'm just shy of twenty five and I now have carpal tunnel and I've just been living with my wrist. We're going to just type like this forever, and I've had to re-evaluate. Yeah, it's interesting. I think that's one of the major reasons why I've always tried not to work hard is because I've just thought there's going to be bodily ramifications. So I can't I really can't do this and I'm just not going to. OK. So I might be here at work pretending to work. OK, it might be six thirty, but I'm actually not doing anything. I've been checking Instagram for the past four hours. No, even that will give you. Don't give you. Honestly, you've got to slow down the don't work hard on her Instagram either. Well, and I'm doing what? I'm doing things for pleasure. They don't impact my body negatively. So what? So if you have carpal tunnel at twenty five, what is that? Rheumatoid arthritis, my twenty eight, how bad I should start telling all my hinge dates that this is the end of the road type of thing. Damaged goods. Seriously, I know. No, you probably just need to actually take care of yourself. No, I think I've talked to a few people and I have to do some wrist exercises like I can't even exercise my normal body, let alone my wrists. OK, so now I have to add that to the list wrist exercises and I have to like, basically take breaks a lot. It's honestly like my upward mobility is totally gone. It's shot. Yeah. Oh, once I went up, maybe I'm recording this program and tell you, yeah, recording forgot to tell me what it's about. Oh, good. Like in the middle of hearing about my carpal tunnel, Kagan wants to talk to you about how he's selling some shares. What I thought. But is that a good deal? All right. We'll talk about it later. Kate, tell them I carpal tunnel. No, I don't think that's what you're trying to diversify to not diversify. Hey, Kagan, I have carpal tunnel with carpal tunnel. Yeah. Kagan attachments from people who really work hard and having this pork as a so off the rails. Kagan, what are you doing, what are you doing? You have to get a wrist brace. Oh, it's so ugly. No, I'm telling you, it's a game changer. What? What are your symptoms? Do your fingers go numb? My like my my forearms are really sore. There's tendons. If you dig into them, you can find like really sore spots. OK, and then the top of my hand is really ache. Yes, that's literally the top of my hand. And like my wrists and then my fingers start to go down. I had this call. Good. Thanks. Do not wear breast braces. No ugly. I learned that literally what I'm saying as your sister, you'd be better off like cutting off your hand. Yeah, I think you're right. OK, because of that piece of advice. Let's move on. Can I just have to tell you, I woke up in the middle of the night last night with a little bit of anxiety. I had half an early bird gummy and I swear to you within 30 minutes, I was peacefully dozing off. Early bird CBD gummies are magic. They're truly magic. They are literally magic. I don't want to travel without them. I don't want to be without them. 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Great content content level 10. But I thought that veracity level or truth level was a zero because it looks so much to me like his envoy. My gosh, Lauren, literally you are delusional. Let me just go through my journey. Let me tell you what happened. So I was 100 percent convinced that this was Irina, and I was honestly mortified because I thought, Here we go. I let Chandler have some free range of Instagram. And already we're reporting fake news. So I issued a public apology on your behalf. And I think over 200 people saw it. But a couple of hours later, I deleted it because I thought it looked ugly in the video. And then then you posted all this stuff about how there's suspicion our stuff. I posted compelling evidence. So compelling evidence about the fact that it actually is Jen and the piece of evidence that actually did convince me, which I thought I was uncomfortable and I was literally looking at all the news outlets publishing this, thinking This is a joke. This is a joke. All of these establishments, everyone out there, people US Weekly news, I think even CNN posted or something in their lifestyle section. I just thought, there they nest. They're all a joke like these people can't even look at a picture. There's no journalistic integrity. But then joke's on you. The evidence that really compelled me was the wrinkly forehead. Yes, like that. Had the weekly forehead was a dead giveaway, the wrinkly forehead and her beach outfit, like you think Irina was going to be wearing that to the beach? That was a classic mom beach outfit. OK, and here is the deal. There's nothing romantic going on between Janet Refrain, Jennifer Garner and Bradley Cooper. It is a wishful thinking on the part of moms everywhere, but it's just not happening like you do think that's what you wear to the beach. If you're dating Bradley Cooper. No, I don't think Jennifer Garner is trying to sell her body. Lauren, I'm just saying most wholesome person who's ever existed. Exactly. And Bradley Cooper is not interested in the most wholesome person that's listed. But if you look at his dating history, we have J.Lo. We have Suki Waterhouse. That's true. We have Renee Zellweger. We have such head turning seriously. And then Irina like the like bombshell bombshells. He's interested and very flashy women. And that's not Jennifer Garner. Jennifer Garner is like girl next door. Stunning, so stunning. But he doesn't have that high level of taste. Yeah, that's true. So it was the lizard brain, as I'd say. Yeah, he was. Definitely his definitely was a brain. It's wishful thinking on the part of everyone, everywhere. But I'm just glad that after you would talk to my best friend Tara, about how I was wrong, that I was then. Indicated you are hereby vindicated, I'm glad that I'm at least living to see one time when you're right about something. That part is nice and interesting for me. Yeah, honestly, for me it was the Apple Watch that's a woman of utility. That's a woman who has dealt with a lot of changes in her life, and she needs to keep things together. That's somebody who has to deal with cost sharing custody with Ben Affleck arenas to care for. She can't right now. She doesn't need to wear an Apple Watch. And honestly, an Apple Watch is for a practical purpose. Exactly. Well, that's literally a woman who has to choose Ben Affleck dating again. The tool somewhat. You know, you were an Apple Watch with the type of person who wears a wrist brace or shudder. Oh, Lauren, this is literally my future. We're talking about, and I think you need to have a serious attitude change because you and I are going to be vacationing together into until the end of time and I'm going to be wearing my wrist guard. I'm just kidding. I just I want you to. I want you to coax your wrist into health however you need to. But if I have to just hold your single hand, throw the rest of your life. Don't ask me why I can't not wait for you, me, Kagan, to all be on like a trip or something. And if both Kagan might be wearing a risk brace reflects No, it's not hot for Kagan, either. I totally get that thing off for dinner. I think it's a mom thing to say. I to sign up to date someone wearing a wrist brace. I sign up to date someone who didn't need freakin like a crutch of any kind. OK, so she's got the kind of indignities. You just don't have a long term relationship, I guess. How would you how would your engagement ring look with your wrists guard? I don't know each other. You know, myself first, I want to be engaged and never put the ring on my finger because my hand would be cold and lifeless. I love how I'm making up this joke, like wearing a skirt is so ugly. It's like the worst thing ever happened to you. This? Oh my gosh. The crutches are way worse. And I'm going to accept it and handle it with grace and poise or just wear jackets. You will live in San Francisco, where frank and mittens and then no one's even going to notice this is a non-issue. Mittens all year round, mittens fingerless mittens. It's cold and it's so cold there. Yeah, yeah, it's great. It's perfect. OK, let's move on. We have some real time news that we want to talk about. Morgan Stewart announced today that she's pregnant, star of the rich kids of all the hills. Now she's the host of Daily Pop, Nightly Pop and Necessary Real Realness on YouTube. She is marrying Dr. Phil Son, not Tim McGraw son. Yes, she's wearing Dr. Phil Son. We adore her. She's not a friend of the pod. But, you know, perhaps a celeb of the pod celeb. I hear she is pregnant. Yes. What are your thoughts? I feel like a lot of celebrities are getting pregnant during quarantine. Because it's no one's doing anything, anything anyway. And I wonder if do you think she knew she was pregnant when she got engaged? Do I do think she knew she was pregnant? I think she knows which is fine. I think that you don't really waste time when you're in your early thirties like you do when you're in your 20s. And so they probably just thought, Let's do it, let's go for it. I also think that they got engaged pretty quickly. So, yeah, they probably just fully jumped into everything. Chan, did you read the essay by Gwyneth on her divorce that was published in British Vogue last week? I cannot say that I wrote this. This essay will leave you reeling. Like it left me just spinning and circling the drain of emotion just completely beside myself. OK, I'm just going to read you a few paragraphs. OK? OK. It is OK. So this is how it starts. So she's so the title is conscious, uncoupling has permeated breakup culture. Gwyneth Paltrow looks back on a separation revolution. So this is she's writing. She's written this. So she says it was my birthday, my 30th. My ex husband and I were tucked away in the Tuscan countryside on a hill in a beautiful cottage with a view of the forest. Fall was coming. The leaves were just loosening their grip on bright green. Inside the cottage was perfectly appointed in the way you dream of for a birthday trip. Cosy living room with a fireplace. Kitchen table overflowing with spoils from a farm nearby. Peaches, tomatoes on the vine. Basil eggs. I don't recall when it happened. Exactly. I don't know. I don't remember which day of the weekend it was or the time of day. But I knew, despite long walks and longer, Lyon's big glasses of Barlow and pants held, my marriage was over. OK. I don't think this is anything to do with my carpal tunnel, but my fingers just went numb. Is this not chilling? I'm not very. I'm not afraid anymore, but to say the writing is stunning. It transports you completely. How? I don't know. She was a writer. Yeah, I know it's ridiculous. It's it's a beautiful essay about the ending of her marriage, but I think that the big biggest takeaway happened at the end of this other paragraph. I'm going to read this one more permanent. OK, so she says, my ex and I had always been friends. We laughed at the same things, shared a funny bone sense of humor, impressions, utter silliness. We moved by that. We were moved by the same qualities in music. Beautiful chords, innovation harmonies. Peter Gabriel, Chopin, Sigur Ros. Though I listened for pleasure and he he was studying for an exam. We loved walking to and from Osteria best silico through the park for pizza, especially on those British summer nights when the Sun doesn't ever seem to set. We loved road trips to the new forest or to the seaside, but most of all, we loved our children. We were close, though we had never fully settled into being a couple. We just didn't quite fit together. There was always a bit of unease and unrest. It's not interesting. Yeah, I think that for me, I mean, they were together for, I think, 16 years, so the idea that they never really fit together. I mean, Chris Martin is really interesting. I think it's so interesting and I also think that it's such a brave thing for her to acknowledge that it's not like they had this like, I mean, I'm sure they had like a deep soul connection to some degree, but like to just say, like, we just never actually fit it. Like, I think it's like incredibly like huge to admit and very real for a lot of people. But I guess I wonder, why did you get married to him then if you didn't fit together, especially being Gwyneth Paltrow, you could have any guy you ever wanted a much more complicated than that. I think it's like there's a life that I want to have, and maybe we don't fit together perfectly, but you provide me with the life, not even provide me, but like you and I will have a life that I want to have. Yeah, it's an obvious thing. Maybe it was a little bit of the muse musician thing, like she was the top rock star, basically. Oh yeah. And so maybe it was a little bit of that kind of infatuation. Wow, this is pretty chilling. It's chilling. I think one of the interesting things about looking at her relationship with Chris and her relationship with Brad is that look at the way that they were basically no paparazzi photos ever of her and Chris together. They were barely ever seen together. Never one. Yeah, that was a big thing. Is, Chris never liked to walk in public with gladness like even down the street. He would always like. He never wanted to really be seen together. And there was always something. Some weird uncomfortability between the two of them that I think it's even in hindsight, really apparent and palpable. And you look at the way her and Brad Falchuk just really click and are so totally incredibly just magnetic with each other and love each other so much and are obviously so comfortable around each other. And I think that I wonder, yeah, I wonder what dynamics at play there. And I was thinking about this today as I was looking out at the sea thinking about Gwyneth Paltrow, I was thinking, I wonder she was so stunning and just had the world at her feet so much that there was a part of her that wasn't ever really had to be vulnerable and because she never really had to be that vulnerable. There was a part of her that was not really able to be known as Just follow me here and here with I'm here with you and entering the relationship with Brad, where she's had a failed marriage and she's not necessarily in the prime of her life anymore. And I think that there's definitely there's a really interesting interview she gave in the magazine with Brad talking about their marriage, and she basically just talks about how he demanded a level of intimacy and vulnerability that she never been really offering. And she articulated explicitly, she says, I never. I just was never comfortable, and I never would be that vulnerable to someone. But he makes me show up completely and fully, and I did it when I done, I did read this Yes. Yes, yes. And so I just wonder, I wonder if there was a weird dynamic between them where it was like, I'm a perfect movie star and you're a world renowned musician. And maybe on some level because we are like gods, we're immortal. We don't have to do anything, any true emotional work. We don't have to rely on each other in that, like deep of a capacity. Yeah, this is all total conjecture, and it's probably totally wrong, but it's fun to think about. I didn't know that. I didn't know that Chris Martin didn't really want to be seen with her. I was like, I don't think it was an embarrassment thing, but it was definitely something weird there. And then I remember. And so she I know that she broke up with him and and I know that pretty quickly thereafter, he started dating someone, some kind of like Jennifer Lawrence. No, he started dating someone else. Someone super random. OK. If you Google Chris Martin dancing in the street, there is some girl he did right when they got divorced and it was like, they like it. I think it was a little bit of a f you to her. But yeah, it was like, Oh, I've moved on. I'm like with someone else type of deal, and I'm willing to be telling her that I never was with you. Really? Annabel Wallace? Wallace? That's right. What I know this is like I've been reading celebrity gossip for so long with just so many like files in the back of my mind. Seriously, what do you think Chris Martin is attractive? Do I think Chris Ryan is attractive? I think he like the combination of obviously his musicality. Yeah, I do. But if I saw him, I didn't know him. I wouldn't be like, Oh my gosh, I have to hook up with him. Right, right. Not that I think is really cute. And I like like his facial hair is like skinny English boy look. Yeah. Well, he's definitely a cute guy. That essay, though, I'm sorry, I'm like taking it like, I know in the past that you haven't read it yet. I am dying for the podcast. We haven't seen it. Arena literally pays to read the show notes baby, and she'll move on to some Bravo. Bravo ! I'm going to be honest, I thought Real Housewives of Beverly Hills was fine. It was good. It was fun to see the fashions, but I was not blown over by any sort of. The drama seemed like more of it was a rehashing. Denise dug her heels in. I think whenever they have these big, like climactic episodes within the season, like we're going to have a probably the next two or three episodes are just going to be like reappearing just a postmortem completely because I think this is like the penultimate moment of the season. I don't even know what the point is of, like continuing on until the reunion. Have you heard the rumors from that, Kyle? The reason why she's been in such a bad mood this whole season is because of she hates her bangs. No, I haven't seen that. Yeah. Heather McDonald was saying that. Yeah, I think it was her that she's basically been in a bad mood and grumpy and been like fighting with all the women because she's just subliminally upset that she has bangs. I mean, if there's one reason to be in a bad mood, that's it. I mean, I honestly fully validate her and those feelings and give her into a complete free pa*s. Although I will say I think her bangs are cute. They are cute. But you and I both know what it's like to get our hair done and not love it. This has never happened with our darling caprice, but it's happened to us many a time as people who have died their hair since basically they were 11. Absolutely, absolutely. It can really throw you off and it could throw you off for a whole season, potentially. Did I tell you what I? This is just a small sidebar. I tell you what I planned and put in planning on doing on my birthday. The only plans I have on my birthday. But what are they? I don't have any other plans other than I'm getting my hair done. I'm getting a partial weave. I mean, that's great. I think you get a little bit older and you just realize what's going to bring you true joy and happiness on a day that I can just be completely selfish getting my hair done. That's the only thing I want and cash that in cash. Absolutely. Five simple pleasures. Truly simple pleasures. Unlike when you're younger and you just you really enjoy life's more complicated pleasures. We all we all know what that's like. We really do. Yeah. Yeah, I get it. I get it. When you're young, it's all sodoku puzzles and crosswords, but then you get you get older and it's just throw some cash. This check I just want like services on my birthday like a massage, hair done, nails done. That's just like actually what I'm interested in doing, but you go ahead. I don't want to do a hike. I don't want to do some strenuous game playing. You don't want to find yourself. I just want to be like treated very well all day by other people. Once again, cash plug birthday's is happening in two weeks. What's your what? Let's do the actual plug. What's your Venmo name? My name is Chandler Hyphen Bledsoe. OK? You heard it here. You heard. You heard it here. We want to talk at all about New York. I feel like I watched it so long ago. So they went to Mexico. Oh, that gets into it. Actually, Ramona tells Dorinda the chance to go to a. And then Dorinda is talking to Luann about it, and she's like Alicia's on Lujan. And Leah antagonizes Ramona. That's it. I'm glad that Ramona and Leah made up, although it's obvious from their state of communications today that they stopped that things go downhill again. Definitely. I think that it's so funny that Sonja really is like, I always feel like she's just such a pleasant drunk, like she's just so totally to watch. She never goes crazy, never mean or volatile. No occurred drinking is just she just becomes more funny or she passes out, which I thoroughly love. But I will say the Dorinda with Luann thing was ridiculous. The way that she got so mad at Luann and Luann was like playing it so cool and so chill. Luann was a class act, a class act, and Dorinda was just losing her mind. Dorinda has seriously like so many issues that are so bad. I think. Also, Dorinda is the type of friend where you truly have to be a yes man to a friend like Dorinda, you can not tell her that she's wrong, ever. I think it's when I think it's when she's drunk that she cannot handle any sort of dissent. I honestly, I feel like even in person, like I saw, even when she's completely sober, like nobody has ever been able to successfully say, Dorinda, you messed up. Yeah. And even like Ramona, who is like, totally nuts, and I'd much rather spend an evening with Dorinda than with Ramona, but Ramona. Like when Leah and her were chatting, like Ramona owned it and she was like, apologetic. That's a thing, Dorinda. You're right. Dorinda, I think, is if you're you're 100 hundred percent spot on. And that's the reason why, even after the terrible night in the Berkshires, the girls woke up and they just weren't even going to give it any crap. They weren't going to confront her about anything because I just knew it was a losing battle. But then, then again, it's I would still rather be friends with Dorinda. Yeah, because there's when Dorinda is a good time. I feel like she's a good times of great honor, which is a good time. She's just like, self-promoting well. And I feel like when you have Dorinda in your corner, like, it's incredible. I would rather have Herb gassing me up than Ramona. Yeah, because I don't think Ramona really, truly gasses anyone at all. No. So I agree with you there, should you some reviews? Let's read some reviews. OK. Read the first one. BKB Yang. Yes. Book I don't know who this is, but I love it already. I listen to way too many serious podcasts, and these girls are just a treat. My earbuds need are just the treat. My ear buds need great banter and random girl talk. Get me through a workout, cleaning the house or yet another stroll around the block of my kids. I listen to a few reviews of Taylor Swift's new album, and this one was by far the most entertaining and spot on. Also, their story of their mom going to get Di Lemonade was too good. Oh, thank you, baby. Oh my gosh. I that honestly is the highest compliment ever because the Swifties are hard at work, and if we can even touch what they do, I will die happily. I think that as we were contemplating quitting the part of the business episode, so this just gives us the courage, encouragement we need to keep it going. We'll keep you entertained and kind to the people at least another week, at least. Yes, thank you. But seriously, so sweet, so sweet. And I appreciate the fact that she appreciated my very candid and your very candid review of Taylor Swift's album because I felt like we definitely went out on a limb there. I think she has shown us that honesty is the best policy. Yep, absolutely. OK. Next review Lauren. Oh my gosh. Lauren is hilarious. Devontae This is the Most Reliable Podcast. Lauren is just absolutely the wittiest, funniest, most darling host. Wow. Lauren's voice in my ear every Wednesday is a gift from God above love. What? Wow. I'm sorry. I'm annoyed. What, Lauren? As in Lauren Lauren? This is the most valuable podcast. Lauren is just wow, she says Lauren three times. Deb, thank you so much. This is so nice. I know who you are, but this is honestly so sweet and thank you. I know exactly who this is. Deb, I'm offended. Wait till I wrote this part. I wrote this review from Deb's phone at the office. I just literally spiraled from a minute thinking like, Wow, Deb actually never liked me. She always thought I was second rate to you. And this just as I wrote it and I was like, It was so funny. Where to read this? As a recording, I was like, Listen to her voice fall and mine is hilarious and title too. Like, it's just it's the knife just cut so deep. Just nothing about you. No acknowledgment. Yeah, this is officially a fake review, and we should listen to our podcast. I was just walking by her the other day and I was like, Hey, can I grab your phone? And I took her phone and tell her what I was going to do, and I went and left her where she didn't even tell her. Now you have to tell her now that I told her, I told her after it was like, We're going to die. This is so funny to me, going to be like, Oh my gosh. I was like, I mean, she got me a going away gift to San Francisco and everything. But clearly she doesn't care. She doesn't actually like me. It didn't work out so well because I didn't realize as I was posting it, that I was going to come up with her name. And so I thought this was just going to be a random soul is truly going to be anonymous. I would only track you, but you should have made me read it so that it would be like extra sad. I thought that I was going to read it because when I read it, then you give the first comment. I was looking for that. You didn't think this one through. OK, how many seconds were you fundamentally correct? The minute that I saw a review page, I just saw the title. Lauren is hilarious. Well, like, I literally had the wah wah. And then I was like, as I was reading, I'm like, It's OK. Don't be sad. Don't be sad. Oh my god, I'm sorry. It's so mean. Biggest thing I've had to endure my entire life. Look, listen to what I put the listeners through, like listening to a fake review. Gosh, now that's also funny because you've been like all of a sudden like, Oh, and we got to do reviews. I, yeah, I've been looking for this woman always pushing it. OK, I have no faith that we're going to have reviews or next week, we literally only have three or four listeners anyway. And we had one new review this week and you have a second. Would love a review, another real review from Chandler, and we'd love a real review done honestly and above board. Or we will stoop to levels of just stealing phones and writing reviews ourselves. It's no big deal, if we must. It's a risk we're going to take in the time of COVID. In this perilous time, Chan, it's been a pleasure, a pleasure, truly so great. I'm truly sorry. Bye bye. That's all for now, folks. Don't forget. Give us a five star review. Hit us up on Instagram at pharmacologists and we will see you next week. Live every Wednesday. Do you ever worry about running out of interesting things to say to friends when you actually get to see them? Then we've got the perfect podcast for you. I'm Eve Yo Hallam and each week on Book Dreams, my co-host Julie Sternberg and I use books to explore fascinating questions like what happened when a Harvard professor staked her reputation on an alleged gospel of Jesus wife that turned out to be fake. And how did debut author Tom Lynn save the American Western by blowing it to bits our pigeons, rats with wings or wonder birds? And what's the who, what, when, where, how and especially why? Of books bound in human skin recent. 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