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That's really cute. Wow. I know I was shocked to receive such like as such, a verbal affirmation. Is this your first podcast he's ever listened to? Probably the second total, I'd probably to like three three minutes of another one. He really does not is not interested in our podcast whatsoever, which is what truly, actually, you know what made it so complimentary? That's so cute. I'm really happy that he said that. Did he say anything about me? You know, he hasn't said anything about you. I'm so sorry. My fiance has not been talking about you. There was no affirmation. I mean, I just feel like he's not giving me any affirmations, and I am his fiancee and his sister, you know, and that's concerning your love language, as his future sister in law is words of affirmation. Thankfully, not physical touch. And he's still he is not performing. Yeah, he's really not. I had a moment where I said to Mr. New York, Hey, what do you think your love languages? And apparently he was not in the not in the right frame of mind to be introspective because he said to me, Can I not be quizzed right now? Are you serious? Oh, wow. I know. And he was not feeling introspective. And that's what he said. Interesting. So now Maya's brake test? Oh, it was like 2:00 a.m. when I asked him that. Oh my god. Anyways, it was funny. It was very funny. OK, so I still feel like you've left me hanging. You haven't told me about Mexico. Tell me about it. It has been so great. Like, yes. So great. I mean, we talked about it more on the patron. But I was kind of nervous like this whole wedding thing. I think I just was like, it just all seemed just a little like too good to be true. And I definitely have very much like, when's the other shoe going to drop mindset, right? As we all do? Yeah, I'm always thinking in worst case scenarios and and anyway, so you know, I think when it came to this wedding, it's like we got engaged and then we had so many different wedding plans. I'm sure our listeners are even sick of hearing about them, but I think I just was like, OK, are we ever going to settle on something? Are we going to get here? And there's going to be like, Oh, you know, I'm not sure if this is it. Like, maybe let's let's take a few more and plan it out. These aren't just like, Oh, we'll get married on this day or this day at this place or this place, it was like, we're either going to do a big wedding or we're going to do a small wedding and then a party a year later, like there were like pretty, pretty different types of plans and possible scenarios. I was afraid you'd get here. We would do the site visit, and I was just afraid he would be like, It's too much. Let's just elope. You know what I mean? Right? And then I think what I would have heard in that moment is I just honestly don't want to commit to this wedding at all. You know, like the I'm just going to have the target shifting continually and and then, you know, it's never going to happen on some level. Right, right. And honestly, it was a big commitment for you guys to even just go and look at this place. Yeah. And but it was just so great like we got here. We did. I mean, this hotel, Chandler is insane. Like, I don't want to beautiful. I've tried to like post as few pictures of the actual hell as possible because it's just really like so special and I want people to experience it for the first time we got here. But it's like it's the best, like by far the best hotel I've ever been to L.A.. Yes. Yes, it's really, really special. Do you want to tell everyone where you are in the world? Oh yeah, I'm in Cancun. I'm in Cancun. So at this hotel called nhs.uk, and it's like it's 12 minutes from the airport, so it's super convenient. And anyway, that strip or no? It's I don't know, because it's not like it's a private beach, so you don't you don't like walk to the other beaches. Got it. Got it. You know how like at the other hotel we were at, you could like go to the beach or the hotel? Yeah, this is very like secluded and it's really nice. Like, even though it has like two hundred and seventy five rooms, so has a lot of rooms, it feels very small because I don't know the way it's designed in the architecture. It just feels very intimate and like. And it's just really, really beautiful. Anyway, long story short, we like we did the tasting, we did the the tour and we talked about it and it was just like, Yeah, sounds good and you just like, sign the contracts. And it just was like, No, it was like, no, sort of like, Oh my gosh, wait, so I know what's the date? What's the official date? Now we can. We start planning the other things and just like getting prepared? I mean, absolutely. So the date is February 4th, 2022. She loves an even number. I mean, it didn't I didn't plan it that way. It just kind of happened. But yeah, so it's February 4th, 2022. And it's just it's totally happening and it's literally a year from today. Do you know that it's April finally to February 4th? No. Sorry, it's not a year, but it's I'm sorry I got confused. Oh my gosh, that it's 365 days from today. I just saw the four was highlighted at my phone and I was like, I literally went to go, put up my calendar and saw that. And I was like, Lauren, it's 10 months from today, and the next time the Sun revolves around the Earth. Lauren, you will be in the arms of your betrothed. Oh my gosh, I'm putting in my calendar. It's like it's literally I was talking to mom about this. We're going to blink and it's and it's here. Yeah, no, it's it's 10 months away. I need to figure out invitations like ASAP. And anyway, yeah, it's just like it was just wonderful. Like, he just it was like, no problem was like, This is amazing is exactly what we want. I love it. No issues with. He wasn't like splitting hairs over anything, and it's just like nothing like that. Just like, Oh, great, let's do it. Sounds good to us. I know you're getting the big wedding you always wanted. I know. I really. I know this is literally what I've been dreaming about since I was a little girl. So anyway, that's what's going on for me. What's going on for you? How things been. Things have been great. I flew back to San Francisco last night. I had a lovely, cute lunch with mom. Before we left. We talked a lot about having your wedding was just, you know, a hop skip and a jump away mom. And I listen to a podcast that dog the bounty hunter on it, something we connect over dog the bounty hunter. I'd also texted Mr. New York and I said, I just want you to know that I have one thing you should know about me is that I have an unconditional love for Dog the bounty hunter. And this is true. Dog the bounty hunter does something for me that Dr. Phil does the Tim McGraw does. There is something about a Christian man. I don't know why. I don't know how. But Dog the bounty hunter is extremely religious. He's also extremely tough and something I really, really like about that. And if you haven't lost so the journey of me falling back and back in love with Dog the bounty hunter, I used to always watch a show on A&E. I have a thing for his son, Leland, who had a braid down to his navel. Yeah, I'm big into the family, but basically I was listening to the smart episode with DAX Shepard on it, who I like, and DAX was talking about one of his favorite enemies of all time being Dunk the bounty hunter. And it's a two hour like. It's a two hour spiritual journey. Because Doug talks about how he was in prison when he was younger and how it became a bail bondsman and then moving to Hawaii. And like this man, while he may be problematic, I fully know that I think he is problematic slightly. He this man is a man striving to be better, striving to be more godlike, and that stirs my bones. That gets me riled up. OK, I sent me the podcast. I want to listen because you know that my appetite for strong Christian men who love their wives, it's endless. Endless unless also somebody, some cute person and was like, What was it that you referred to Sam Hunt's music as? And I was like, Oh, well, all Christian sex music. And she was like, Yes. So, yeah, we've got a thing for strong Christian men who love their wives and Christian sex music. We do. Absolutely. Can I just have to tell you? I woke up in the middle of the night last night with a little bit of anxiety. I had half an early bird gummy and I swear to you within 30 minutes, I was peacefully dozing off. Early bird CBD gummies are magic. They're truly magic. They are literally magic. I don't want to travel without them. 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And this is a seasonal brand, so they don't really stuff all the time, right? These are highly anticipated drops. Yeah, I mean, so they're I mean, most brands are seasonal, right? But I feel like they look like their spring collection sells out. And then that's it. It's like an H&M, whether it's just like or an ASOS where they're just like constantly new arrivals. Right? Exactly. So. So there's there's fast fashion, which is like Zara, H&M, mango, constantly new. It's constant freshness, constant newness. And then there's seasonal brands, which I think is most brands, because that's how wholesale accounts buy. They buy based on their seasons. So and I know this because that was my job at stance as I worked on all the calendars that were bringing the how to bring the products to market. So from the very, very beginning, from when the the product line is just even conceptualized by the merchandisers to it actually being available on the rack at the retailers, all of the dates that go into that. That was my job. And so I actually feel like I have a little bit of like I can kind of speak to this a little bit more distinctly. But anyway, there they are in hot water because they released some information on their spring drop three, basically saying Here, let me pull it up. And you also should we give some context as to what these dresses look like if people don't know what these the type of? Yeah, the style, the brand itself, the brand itself is a actually, I don't know you. You're in more in the space. So why don't you speak to it? Well, I feel like the Doen brand, it's very much like what thing I like about it, actually. And the thing that drew me to it is that it's very much like women, how women want to be perceived, like it's like a brand for women by women, not a brand, largely by men, for women. So all of the photographs, they're they're all very beautiful and idyllic, and it's like, it's like prairie chic, barely sexy. Basically not sexy, though. Yeah, yeah. You know, like most of the time, floor length dresses with a cap like they're very modest looking dresses from the most part, unless like there's nothing. They're definitely not nightwear. That's what I'm gonna say. There are dress brand that is by no means nightwear. Well, they're not just a dress brand. They have tops, they have pants and coats. But yeah, it's it's very much like it's like, like your cheek. Yeah, it's it's very chic, started by girls in L.A. and it's very much like, I don't know what's like a really sexy brand. There's like there's fashion nova. And then there's like going on there on the other side of the spectrum as far as like it goes, right? Right, exactly. And there's just like basically everything I have from Doe Kagan, Hey, like he hates it so much like you actually brought up on this vacation. Really, it's this one dress of mine. No way on all my girls. So funny. Um, so it's very much like Man Repeller, you know, prairie dresses. And when they first came out, they were so beautiful. Like, there are beautiful Ionis like, very intricate lace detailing, really, really beautiful silks, gorgeous prints. So pretty. So I conceive well, they and when they first started, they were expensive for sure. But they were like reasonable. It's like they're probably highest. Price dress at the beginning was two hundred and ninety eight dollars like expensive, but not like, not like just astronomical. The prices are now like seven hundred dollars or six hundred ninety eight dollars further for one of their dresses. So the prices have gone up tremendously. I think once they realized they were so popular, they really wanted to target like an echelon of female consumers, like the type of woman who can casually go to the Brentwood Country Mart and drop like $400 in groceries, right? That's their consumer. And that too, they're catering to. And so they wanted to be in that echelon. So anyway, they dropped this. So how they they used to, like, be a normal brand where they would say, like, you know, we have a new collection, go check it out. They would drop it and you could order it that. And then they started to have a few styles each season that were pre-order only, right, you pre-order them and then they would be sold out by the time they're actually available to ship. So it seems like more and more, however, as the years have gone on, not only have their prices gone up, but they've transitioned to only pre-order like virtually everything is pre-order. So you buy it and then you never really know when it's going to ship like it's there's an expected ship date. But then I guess they kept getting later and later. So anyway, obviously there's some production issues there that's really shouldn't be any surprise. I think because of COVID, like I think we're dealing with a country like India where I'm sure most of their products are made you, you know, and and covered like, there's just really it's going to be very, very difficult to get the whole time. So they basically they released this statement and this is what they said. They said we have always loved to launch a full collection together so that our customers have full visibility into the entire chapter, and this includes launching styles available for pre-order, regardless of any production delays that may have arisen. Our decision to maintain our launches while items are still on pre-order is directly related to interest intricacies of our supply chain and our commitment to ensuring that our vendors and their workers are paid on time and in full throughout the year. They basically just say, like, I don't know this is how they make sure they pay their suppliers on time. OK, cool. Seems a little. It seems a little sauce. Yeah. And then they also say that they also say, Well, we have several initiatives in development that began with sustainable sustainability and a wider effort towards a more eco conscious future in mind. We do not consider ourselves to be slow fashion or a sustainable brand. We know that the true net impact in manufacturing apparel, from agriculture to selling to distribution, all the steps in between is near impossible to measure and to benchmark against. We are not a made to order business and pre-order is not a part of our efforts toward environmental responsibility. Rather, we are focused on changing changes within our supply chain and yada yada yada. So they basically say, Hey, this is why we do pre-order in order to help our cash flow, to pay our suppliers on time. Also, by the way, we're not a sustainable brand. We make efforts toward it, but we don't claim to be like a sustained brand. And did you did you talk about it? Like, do they just released us out of nowhere? Or are people asking for it? People were really pissed because they released a new collection, while the order the the orders from the last collection hadn't even shipped yet. So they have their pre-orders still waiting to go from the last season. And then they launch a new season with new pre-orders. And people are just like, What the hell? Why? Like, why are you releasing all this new stuff on all year? The stuff we already bought hasn't even come out. OK, got it. And this is one of those brands where they very much have like, like a cult following, like they have a mass like, you know, like they're not just like a clothing brand, they really are this like lifestyle, you know, obsession and rock. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So anyway, people are up in arms over the fact that I think people got really, really pissed because the brand definitely it. It portrays itself to be sustainable, like it has, like sustainability agendas that are published and they present themselves as being sustainable, like in an interview. One of the founders talked about how sustainability was so important to them. And so for them to then come out and say they're not actually they don't really consider themselves to be slow fashion and a sustainable brand. It made people really mad because they're like, Hey, I actually would only spend $600 on a dress or 700 or $400 on a top if I think that this is made by, like, very well-paid people and it's of all of very, very, you know, like that's why we pay high prices. So I feel sad about this purchase. That's what I was just going to say. If I was spending over three hundred dollars on something like especially a dress or a top like, I would expect it to be sustainable for that price point. When a brand is selling things of that type of price, I'm expecting that they're extremely ethical and sustainable because they're like slow fashion, if you will. Yeah, I guess. Yeah, and I would agree, like you would expect them to be doing all they could. But I do think that there's a difference between like the fast fashion, which is like a Zara that makes their clothes like some of their clothes allegedly are made on ships in the middle of the sea so that they don't have to. So they are only abiding by maritime laws like that on gnarly Zara is Zara is Zara literally just rips off designers from the runway and then puts out products that are dupes. They also like use like weak labor, which is something I'm very passionate about. Yeah. So there's like Zara, where it just, you know, you know that those that they're doing as their ethics is not high on their list. Yeah, there's like an H&M, which is adjacent, but they're really trying. They say they don't have the same practices as Zara. And then there's like a. Own, which I guess you would think, OK, I hope everyone at least is paid a fair wage, but I think for me, like when it comes to new clothing like new clothing, it's just never going to be sustainable, in my opinion. Like all those fabrics, they're going to have to be dyed. And even if it's like organic dyes, though, that those guys are still going to pollute. They're still just like so much waste that goes into it. So do you think that OK, so you continue with the like? So what's your opinion of this? I actually think they're almost like, Hey, we know that fashion is not in itself sustainable. I think like when it comes to all like eco, anything that's new for me, I just don't think it'll ever be that eco friendly. OK, OK. So you think that people should people who are up in arms need to realize that this is just like a part of the reality? Well, now maybe I think I can understand the frustration. And I think that this is just part of the reality. You're right. Like most, that it's just it's just crazy when a dress is $700, that it can't be of the utmost like sustainability standards. I can't be beating those, I guess. Yeah, I think the tough thing is that like words like sustainability standards, like, what does that even mean, right? And like, I didn't even know that I have a full definition of what that would mean. Like, it's like there. There's comments on there. Sorry, go ahead. Well, there's comments on their Instagram where they're like, You know, what are your factory workers paid? Are they paid a living wage? Yes, they're paid a living wage. There's third party audits of all of the factories, and they meet these terms. They these like levels are these like, you know, stan this standard. And then people are like, well, third party audits are bulls**t, and it's just like, it's so gnarly. And it's like, I wouldn't if they told me, Oh, our our factory workers are paid x dollars an hour. I wouldn't even know what what is a living wage in the area in the place where they're like clothes are produced? And I think it's just such a tricky topic. It totally is. I mean, I'm not I'm not great about fast fashion. It's something that I like think about and should do better on. But definitely like, there's a lot of room to grow for me there. Yeah, same. You know, it's a really, really complicated topic because there's a flip side argument where it's like, OK, we want to have a situation where everything is completely like, somehow we measure it so that either we all wear used clothing, we stop apparel manufacturing for like, you know, a hundred years or something to try to offset the past hundred years or 20 years, or we do something like that to offset what's already been done. We don't produce for a while to try to offset we've done in the past. And then we cancel all we'd have to take to get to a truly sustainable place. We'd have to cancel all things like Zara, all things like H&M, those things which literally could not exist because of all the waste they produce. It's a joke. You know, then we're kind of back to where we were in, like the early 1800s where you knew exactly a person's resources and access to resources by the clothes they were wearing. Like, that's actually like one of the benefits of living in 2021 versus nineteen twenty one. You actually Mark Zuckerberg wears the same outfit as a guy that works at Ralphs. And it's like there's been a huge democratization, not only of style, where like blue denim used to be the insignia of the working class, now it's worn by executives. Not only that, but you can now go into an H&M Zara and you can get an outfit that makes you look just as put together as someone who can buy like a nice suit from Nordstrom or even something even nicer. One hundred percent. And I think it's so counterintuitive to expect people who like I could do better, frankly, like I could do better with, like by putting my money into better places. But there are people who cannot afford to buy like slow fashion. It's so counterproductive to shame people for that. You're right, there are just so many people that literally can't afford to shop sustainably. That's just not the reality they face, right? And so I think that like this is not a problem that either of us are going to solve an apologist podcast, but it's definitely like it's just a really, really layered, complex issue. Yeah, agreed. Very good. And I think that there needs to be a little bit more grace from the internet, honestly, for people. That's all. Yeah. I feel like people are just so quick to shame business owners. And while I think that there's definitely shadiness there, like there's like they shouldn't have been portraying themselves as like this, like extremely eco conscious, sustainable brand. I mean, they also if you look at the language on their website, like they use sustainability language all the time. And if you were just reading that as like a regular person, you would think that they operate at those high standards. They use the word salad, the gobbledyg**k. You know, ethically conscious, you know, blah blah blah. And on social responsibility. And that's just like those things are very vague and hard to like and hard to quantify. I get that people want the brands to have a stance on every social issue and to be environmentally very responsible and all that. But to me, it just seems so fraudulent and so like they're all thinking about, like all the ads like that from brands that for like Black Lives Matter and how much of a joke it was, like Clorox or Lysol, it was, you know, it literally it was just like something that they had to do that the PR people were like, OK, we have to do this now, and it just rings so incredibly false to me. It doesn't seem honest at all. All right, you guys, so sorry for this very strange interruption. However, the reason why we are so late getting this episode up today is because something happened with the audio. And twenty four minutes into our conversation, my mic went out and I didn't realize that until I was trying to edit it yesterday evening on my flight. And so Chandler and I had to wake up this morning record more. So we bring you a full episode today. We decided to leave the dome and drama. There we are actually doing an interview with the founder of the brand DeMaurice Bailey next week. And so we're really excited about that, and we're going to ask her a little bit about her thoughts on it. So we'll circle back, but we'll leave that there for now and transition into my conversation with Chandler this morning from my childhood bedroom. So enjoy. Can I tell you where I am, channeler, where are you home? I am recording from my childhood bedroom where many angsty Damien Rice songs were listened to, where many body poems were listened to aloud through speakers. I am, yes, I am recording from my childhood bedroom. Kagan is in the other room. We are staying with mom and dad. We just got back from Mexico. And yes, we are in a break room. OK, yeah, I was just to confirm you are betrothed, but you are staying set, sleeping in separate quarters for your own sanctity. Yes, mom made the point many, many times because I, you know, I was like, Oh, you're an empty nester now you have extra bedrooms. We're going to come back for a week for after Mexico. And can we stay with you? And she was like, it was just so funny because she was like, Yes, but you have to stay in separate bedrooms and no premarital sex in my house, my home. And I'm like, Geez, mom, like, do you really think like that is what we'd be doing? I'm like nailing like ninety five theses like to your bedroom door before you arrive. Like, I'm sneaking over to McCalls bedroom with Kagan in the middle of the night. Oh my gosh. Yeah, we're well past that phase. There was one, especially after you've just had a lovely romantic vacation. It's like, you know, it's I really would love. Take us fall the love. Take us fall. Sorry to tell you, mom, but the love tank is full and it's OK. We can let off some steam at the blotto residence. OK? On celebrity gossip that's been happening recently. Let's dig in. Sofia Richie dating the new, not new theme music executive son Elliot Grainge. He's actually a music executive, and I guess his father is like a really big music producer. And I was wondering if you'd seen this, if you know about it, if you have any thoughts. I'd seen it. I think he's cute. A shape it. I think he's age appropriate. He seems like a very sweet boy. That was my thoughts. Exactly like, I very much am into this relationship because he seems like a very he does seem like a very sweet, cozy boy. Like, first of all, he's 25 and she's 22. We love that much healthier than the thirty six to 18 or whatever the situation was. Yes, Scott. Also, I feel like he he doesn't. One of the things about him that I really like is he has a verified Instagram account with thirty five thousand followers, but he doesn't post on it like it has zero posts, right? He is not active on social media and that is very attractive to me. Yeah, yeah, definitely is attractive. I think he seems like somebody who would never comment on like what she was wearing, and I'm like, Oh, maybe you should wear the other thing, like, he just seems like you would have zero opinions about that and probably is like just super stoked to with this gorgeous woman. Totally. And they probably like they have a lot in common, like they can compare what it's like to live with, like super successful music, music, parents, right? Right. Music industry tyc**n parents. I mean, do you think there's any part of Sofia Richie's life and like mental process right now? That's just like, Man, I'm so glad I don't have to like, play step mom on it. Like, Isn't this so much simpler and more amazing? And I feel like there's there's something very much wholesome about a age-appropriate relationship that I feel like is probably a relief to her. Totally the guy that there isn't some like ski skeezy element to it. Yeah, no. That's always the case with those relationships at all. But I think a lot of times that is the case, and you can feel it as the woman in it. Well, and honestly, like getting into a relationship with Scott Disick of all the older men to choose from is like, especially complicated. Yes. And I think like looking at who he's dating now, if anything, she's probably thinking like, Wow, I made the right decision. Definitely. I can't handle the fact that Scott and Amelia Gray are still together. What did you think about all the rumors and accusations that or not like? I guess basically it was teasing on the newest trailer and they were teasing the fact that they broke up because Sofia was jealous of his relationship with Kourtney and basically gave him an ultimatum and said, It's me or Kourtney. I feel like that's I don't honestly buy it because I think that she went into it knowing that he had that close relationship with Kourtney, like, that's the mother of his children. He's obviously going to be going over there all the time. That's like his family. I don't know. I don't see her being that like diabolical. It's like, No, you have to like, cut off this entire group of people who have taken care of you. You know, your parents have passed on, but like they've taken you in and you've basically really just become a member of their family. And I just I don't see her asking him to give all that up. I totally agree. I feel like an especially as a woman. I just feel like you're, if anything, you kind of want more family around. And I don't think that. I don't think that so I don't think Sophia would find Courtney threatening. Like if anything would be the impact. Right? And so it's like, why wouldn't you just be happy to be like going on this lavish Palm Springs vacations where you're flying in a private jet from L.A. to Palm Springs? Yeah, stay at the Madison club, you know and want in. They're huge in their huge resort compounds like why wouldn't you be thrilled with that life? Yeah, yeah. It doesn't make a lot of sense. And speaking of other Kardashian news, I'm dying to get your thoughts on Khloe Photo Gate. I cannot stop thinking about it. I saw I saw the headlines before I saw the picture. So I was like, What is this photo like? Why? What could it be? You know, Kardashian scramble to try and get this photo off the internet, sending DMs, whatever. And then I saw the photo and I like kind of broke me a little bit like the photo of you. The photo broke me because she looks beautiful. She just looks like every other woman who got a photo taken of her at the beach and some harsh lighting, and she looks good at that. It's just like you can tell that she has a wonderful body from this photo. It's just like not amazing lighting. Maybe that's like having some harsh shadows or whatever, like, that's only downside of it. And that's just so normal. And then I just had this wave of like, Wow, they really do like face tune edit dishes out of their photos. And I'm like, What is that doing? Like to people like women everywhere? I mean, 100 percent. And I think like, I think what was so fascinating about it is just what you were saying, like the photo is like she looks great, like there's an invisible cellulite. Like she looks complete. She looks like she's a wonderful but like a fit toned tan body. Totally. And I don't know. I feel like I look at Khloe's Instagram and I see how much she has, like tweaked her face in her like body into almost like oblivion. Yeah. And it just seems like very evident that she has serious dysmorphia, right? Right. Like, she's so I mean, it's almost getting to like Michael Jackson level dysmorphia. And to see how much the family supports it. You know, the whole family rallies around the her efforts to just literally like tweak herself into like oblivion. Well, I think that that is what's actually I think that that is like it's probably comes from a place of they're trying to like, keep her happy. Yeah, yeah. Like, they know how. Probably she's quite volatile when it comes to her like appearance and the, you know, the appearance she's putting out there. And so they don't want to deal with any sort of meltdowns. That's right. Well, and here's what I'm going to say. Like this to me illustrates a little bit that like even if you get super fit, you like you maybe transform your body into a new shape, the shape you've always wanted. Perhaps like all of that, mental baggage and dysmorphia follows you. And that's what's kind of scary. Like, maybe that in the case of everybody, but like someone, someone like her. And maybe it's, you know, it's a lethal combination of being in Hollywood where she could basically never escape her former body or, like, you know, the the world that she like was brought up on and like having Kourtney and Kim's sisters and just having a different body than then. Like, maybe it's that it's like caused her to still carry this around. But you know, she's like, she's had revenge body shows like she is fit. She like, it's a fitness obsessed. And it's still like hasn't made her any less dysmorphic. If anything, it's just made her more so I would argue, which I think just goes to show that when it comes to looks physical appearance and I don't know what there is like, it's like, I wonder if it's like the law of diminishing returns. But I feel like the more you focus on it, the more you focus on perfection and you go down this path or you're trying to tweak every part of you into this optimal version of itself or you, like, become dissatisfied and unhappy and and like, I definitely feel for her because she definitely seems like she is struggling, right? Also so MJ post the photo. Oh, it was MJ. I'm pretty sure it was MJ. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Like somehow MJ post it. Maybe somebody screenshot it it. And then it got like, it does MJ even have an Instagram? I think so. Yeah. OK, so just to like pivot really quickly to wrap up our Kardashian talk, their new show will be on Hulu. This is public knowledge now. Yes, however, it's not a reality show. It's going to be something else. And so like, they're going to have a show, but it's not going to be like the normal Kardashian show that we're used to. And I, for one, am just relieved about that. Yeah. So what? Because I've seen enough validating backyard walking, so scrolling tomfoolery. It's I'm over it. That's why I actually don't really even watch anymore. So what do you think it will be, though? I mean, I think every. Will be very much like driven by whatever they're trying to promote and sell. So it'll be like it might be like behind the scenes, like making scams, it'll be like him doing social justice stuff. It'll be like Kylie, like talking about I like it'll be kind of doing like already the tequila brand. I mean, that already sounds way more interesting. Totally, totally. It does sound more interesting, and I think that's the purpose. That's the entire point of them having these shows, right? It's to actually promote their products. So, yeah, yeah. Yeah, whatever. Here for it, we'll probably we'll watch it, at least give it a try. Absolutely. So moving on from Kardashians Chan, there is more information on Jen Shah that has increased recently, and so I need to amend from a last episode. I explained the Jen Shah shocker. Yeah, one of our listeners, Shah got which I thought was so funny. Genius. So genius. So the saga continues. And in our last episode, I broke it down and I said that what what her companies did was they put up like these fake businesses online that would attract leads of older people. Yes, that which actually Chandler was giving it way more credit than what it. It was actually way more nefarious, way really antagonistic. It's not like they were putting up. It's like they're putting up just passive websites with the scheme actually was was they were actively targeting people. So they were like finding finding older people and then going to them and trying to get them to start businesses like so it was like it was basically like a work from home scheme. Oh my gosh. You know how you see those things sort of like make a hundred k from your from your couch and would be like by the side of the freeway. And OK, really like Tyler brought this side of the freeway with his number. I can call him and make $100000 a year from the outside. Like, how does this work? It sounds like a job in it to advertise on the freeway. Yeah, but apparently, OK, so what the companies allegedly did was they would call and actively target these elderly people who who would be good candidates. And and if the people so they basically would like sell them packages for starting a business. OK, so like, OK was $5000. You can get everything you need. The merchant accounts, the website, the the hosting of everything set up, and then you can have this business that will generate X amount of dollars for you a year. So they these these elderly people, they would buy into it, they would buy all this stuff to start the business. None of this stuff would actually be provided. But then from those suckers, they would literally have a list of suckers who had bought into the scheme. Then Jen Shah, she would her company allegedly would then sell that list of people to the to the scammers who would re scam them and try to like, basically say, OK, I have a way they would know that they were in credit card debt for these, for the first fraud and something that would be like, OK, I have a way for you to get a credit card, so it'd be like double whammy. And now that is so sad. People who target, yeah, people who target, I guess elderly and people in debt like rot in hell, rot in hell, jacks rot in hell. I mean, is so sad. Wow. It's so sad. And actually, OK. What's super interesting about this is I remember I was once on a date with a guy and he was like, pretty loaded. I remember this and I remember Googling him later. And when I googled his name, there were all these rip off reports. And what I gathered by the rip off reports was that he was part of this company, which he did the same thing. Like, you would go around and I'm already told me this. He traveled through his job and gave presentations, and he would give presentations where he would like teach people how to start businesses. And it was like this. I think there are like a lot of scams like this where they're like trying to trying to give you like some work from home package and like business package that you buy. But then nothing ever happens and your card is just charged repeatedly. It's so, so sad. I I honestly like hope she goes to jail. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. All right. Well, Lauren, I hope you have a wonderful rest of your week sleeping in separate quarters from Kagan, abiding by those laws and proud of you. Thank you. I appreciate it. Pass, Tom, I'm high. I will do. Talk to you later. I. That's all for now, folks. Don't forget. 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