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Trust Me: Cults, Extreme Belief, and Manipulation

Episode 53: Ever heard of a cult specialist? Therapist and IndoctriNation podcast host Rachel Bernstein shares what healing looks like after leaving a cult, common themes in manipulation recovery, signs that someone is in a high-control group or experiencing dissociation, and advice for those with loved ones in a cult.

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01:10:17 11/29/2023

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Alright. I'm gonna keep this simple. Welcome back to Straight Up with Stacie. I'm Stacie Schroeder Clark. Let's do this. Okay. You guys, I'm so excited because I have the style queen herself, Paige DeSorbo. Paige, I don't think you understand. I was like, you have turned in to actually like a full blown style icon. Stasi, first of all, thank you so much. 2nd of all, that intro is amazing. And I need you to know that every girl who is on Bravo learns style from you. I mean, you are you're the queen and we just copy you. That's really nice of you. And I appreciate you just, like, making me feel better, especially, like, because I'm postpartum and, you know, I I need a little lifting up every now and then. Every time I see the word o o t d, I think Stasse. Oh my god. That. Honored. Honored. No. You got you have taken it to a whole other level. Like, it's like it's surpassed bravo, You know? Well, thank you. And not many people have done that, and I wanna get into that. But in case people don't know who Paige just probably is, like, okay, everybody knows who Paige is. Summer House, Winter House, Southern Charm, giggly squad. You're pretty much like a reality. You're like you also did NBC First Look. Weren't you in people's cats? I did. I did NBC First Look. We did, like we went around New York City and I went to, like, cool niche places that, like, no one would know about other than, like, the top of the Empire State Building. That's, like, that's pretty damn cool, Paige. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that. You're building this whole brand and empire for yourself that I'm so f**king into. So thank you for being here. I love you. For having me. I remember the first time I met you, when I went to go do Summer House, I was like, oh, it's Posh Spice. Like, literally, I was like You complimented my bag and my outfit, and I was like, I can pack it in now. I can go home. Like, that was all I wanted and needed. Oh, my gosh. Okay. Well, I wanna talk a lot about fashion with you. Okay? First of all, who is your style icon? Okay. There I feel like I go through phases and there are so many, like, celebrities that I feel like they go through eras where I'm like, oh my god. I love, like, her style during, like, this time. But I feel like overall, I would say Audrey Hepburn is probably, like, my baseline. Like, I think, like, those classic looks are always my favorite. But in terms of, like, pop culture now, I think Zendaya is, like, always so I mean, she never misses. Never. No. Like, it's disgusting. It's like Like, she the models are lucky. She's so good at acting. Do you know what I'm like, because she would just own everything. I completely agree with you. And even her street style, it's not just her red carpet style. It's her street style too. Because, see, I've struggled with this question nowadays because I feel like celebrities, yeah, they have, like, these great red carpet looks, but their street style is seriously lacking. And I don't remember in the early 2000 it being that way. I remember looking up to Nicole Richie and Lindsay Lohan during the Rachel Zoe era and being like, wow, their street style is just phenomenal. No one talks about the Rachel Zoe era. Oh, it's my favorite. Like, she was the first person I saw wear, like, c**ktail rings. Mhmm. And I was like, wait, what are these big rings and these flare jeans? Like, I love her. I still love her. I am waiting for Gen z to rediscover or to discover Rachel Zoe and that era so we can bring back all those looks. Like, I remember, you know, just like the little like the law or it was like the long dresses, and they were wearing closed toe pumps with them. No one would ever right now, and everyone needs to. No. I love her. I forget I, like, forget about her sometimes. And then I would say, like, Victoria Beckham is also another just, like, also having a moment. But I I like people that you can, like, watch their style evolve. And at every, like, different part of their life, you're into their style. And that, to me, makes, like, a style icon. And Victoria Beckham, I feel like, is the number one person who does that. I totally agree. Did you watch Beckham? Yeah. Of course. Okay. Like, how did she look so chic even in just, like, leggings? And, it was like a black hoodie. And I'm like, wait. What? My favorite part, and Craig got so mad at me when I said this, but it's just, like, so me. I love that she was like, David has been playing. So that was great too. But I love that she was like, David has been a soccer or a football player for 20 years, and never once have I ever worn a jersey. And the commitment to the fashion world, I just appreciated that. And I was like, that's so cool. Mhmm. And Craig was like, oh, that she didn't support her husband? And I was like, she supported her husband. She's done and nah. This whole entire docuseries was nothing but Victoria supporting her husband. She's supportive. She doesn't need to sacrifice the things she loves the most. Right. Sation in order to support a little more. Yeah. Victoria Beckham is, like, no matter what, she just looks chic. Chic. Yeah. It's just her whole here's the other thing. Like, people don't talk about, like, people that dress really good, they're also like their auras. Like, Zendaya knows how to wear an outfit. Yeah. And you are almost, like, more obsessed with her than the actual outfit because of the way she just carries herself. And that is another thing that I, like, always look to, and I think Victoria and Zendaya have just like that presence. Yeah. I, like, could really couldn't agree with you more. Those were, like, phenomenal answers. Thank you. I'm I'm here for it. I think you know what? I think about it a lot, and you're the first person to ever ask me, but I always have that answer ready in my head, and I've never gotten to use it. Yeah. I'm the first person to ask you who your style icons are that makes zero sense. Yeah. Like, I feel like I never get that question. I'm always like, I'm ready to say Zendaya at the drop of hat. Okay. I'm just so glad that I, like, gave you that opening Thank you. So that you could shout it from the rooftops. Yeah. Thank you. Is there a celebrity that you would just, like, love to get your hands on and style? Like I mean, there's a lot. We talk about this all the time on giggly squad, and I think it's just because Taylor Swift is having such a moment. Wait. No. I know. Like, what is happening? I feel like I'm gonna get, like, canceled for saying Taylor Swift, but but we gotta say it. You have to tread lightly when it comes to the Swifties because they are terrifying. Like, I can love Taylor Swift and just, like, not love her outfits. No. I love her. I think she's great, and I think what she's doing for the football community is amazing. Wait. Do you really care about what she's doing for the football community? No. I don't give a shot. But I just think being so uber famous and having just you could have the pick of any designer to do anything with. And maybe it's just she doesn't care about fashion like that. And that that's totally fine. You don't have to. Yeah. But I just feel like, how is there not a stylist who's reached out to her and been like, I'll just do it all. You just put it on. Don't worry about it. There's an Instagram, actually, that some random girl made. I don't know who made the Instagram, but it's called you belong in this. And she does outfits that Taylor Swift should wear, and it's iconic. Like, if she was a fashion girly, it would be insane. Wait. That's such a great idea for an Instagram account. Yeah. I'm like, I feel like she needs to see this because I think she also has such great opportunities to wear such, like, crazy things. Like, she doesn't have to wear what you would wear when you're going to Starbucks or, like, what you're wearing to, like, run errands. Right. She's going to these, like, insane events. She's going to football on Sundays. Like, she has the opportunity to wear such cute outfits. Yeah. And I feel like she doesn't. No. I get it. I feel it. I feel that too. Like, so the world is her runway every single day, and she's she's just she's not walking down it. No. And even, like, her performing, like, that's I feel like a moment where you can be so crazy, and you can wear whatever you want, because they're here to see you. You're the one on stage. Yeah. And I would just like her to lean into it more. Yeah. I know. I I really agree with you. And the more that I think about it, I feel like all the people that I would want to style, they are singers. Like, I Yes. Jessica Simpson. Pretty much anyone in the country music That area. Like, Jessica Simpson literally, it's like someone froze her, like cryogenically froze her Yeah. In the the year, like, 2008 or something. And Loves a denim short. Yeah. Loves a denim. Granted, I love a denim short too. Like, I will never not love a denim short, But, it's the same. It's literally the same as 2,008, and it, like, freaks my brain out that she hasn't seen past that. Right. And hasn't, like, evolved because she looks I mean, she looks the same that she did in 2008. Yeah. And I just feel like here's the other thing that's fun about fashion that I feel like people don't talk about is, like, as you get older, not so much like, oh, I need to dress in a different way, because I'm in my thirties now or whatever. But as you get older, it is fun to realize, like, your own personal style is changing. Like, I'll forever love a crop top, you know. Will I forever wear a crop top? Probably not. But, like, I like seeing in my own life, like, oh, what do I feel like wearing today that is totally different than when I was, like, 26 and doing, like, the same thing? So I like seeing people evolve, and I feel like Jessica and Taylor haven't, like, evolved I agree with you. At all. But I think it's a way it's it's but you still I could pinpoint your like, your style has remained consistent. You've just modernized it. So it's not like it's changed. You've just been modernizing it as time has gone on. And I think that's what's lacking with Jessica Simpson and Taylor Swift. Like, there's Should we just do it? Should we just reach out to them and be like, we'll style you for a week? If you like it, great. If you don't, well, it never happens. Wait. Paige, can I tell you the story? When I was, like, 20 years old, okay, you did you hear of the Club Le Deux? Have you ever heard of it? It's it was in Los Angeles. It was like the biggest club of, like, the club era time. Okay? And I was there one night, and Britney Spears walked in. Okay? And I had just moved from Louisiana Yeah. To LA. And I was like, I'm gonna go up to her, and I'm gonna say, I would really love to style you. I wasn't a stylist. I don't know what the f**k I was thinking. I I'm I really love to style you, and I think you would actually like me styling you because I'm from Louisiana too. And I told my friend at the time I was gonna go and say that, and I was pretty much, like, held back by my friend. Like, literally, like, they thought I was insane, and I agree with them. That would have been so f**king weird of me, a random 20 year old ho walking up to Britney Spears. Loved you, though. You did. I think she probably would have been, like, okay. Really? I don't know. I don't know. But it's like that it's like a moment of, like, I I have secondhand embarrassment that I I had the thought to even do that. Like, who the f**k did I think I was? No. I get it. But she's another great example of, like, if she just had a different stylist or a stylist in general Just one at all. Things things would probably be a little different for her. Yes. And I just I feel like fashion brings people together. It's also, like, it's also fun to, like, have something that you can, like, relate to other women on. Like, whenever I'm in a group of people and I, like, hate small talk and it makes me, like, wanna die Yeah. Like, the first thing I do is, like, love your shoes. Where did you get them? Like and it just, like, is a natural conversation that I feel like women can be like, oh, like, I got Metzara and, like and then you just, like, go into something. So fashion has also been my, like, get out of jail free card of, like, my hands are sweating and I hate small talk. Oh my gosh. I love that because I've been thinking about social awkwardness a lot lately. It actually crosses my mind often, daily. Every time we talk about it. Empire now that I'm thinking about it. And I've been, like, thinking about how lucky I feel that I have children to bring with me to party so that I can use them as an excuse to exit conversations that I've, like, don't wanna be in. A dream. But that's fashion is another thing that, yes, you can bring up with, like, any girl, and Yeah. You can have a conversation that you actually wanna be a part of. Yeah. And you can feel, like, a little bit connected and not, like, oh my god. What am I gonna say to this person next? Or like and it's fun. And you wanna talk about it anyway. Like, I wanna tell the girls where I got my outfit when I walk into anywhere because they should know that there's a sale happening or, like Yeah. You know? So You're not gatekeeping. Right now. Okay. Who do you think is the most stylish, bravo, Liberty, besides yourself? Wow. That's a really good question because I feel like I do go back and forth. But also, the franchises are different, and, like, you dress different I know. But, like in different areas. I don't think any of them. You think none? I think, actually, none is my answer. Like, you're the only one, Paige. If I have Actually, Amanda Amanda dresses well. No. You know what? We should talk about that too because no one gives Amanda the credit she deserves. And also, Amanda doesn't care about anything, like, ever. So she, like I'm like, you should post this more, or, like, you should, like, tag where you got this stuff. Like, people love your style. And she's like, I just, like, don't care about that. But she does have great style, and I would absolutely switch closets with her. Very underrated and very unique personal style. Mhmm. Yeah. Like, she's not someone that's like, oh, I have to follow this trend where, like, I love a trend. She'll do whatever she wants at any time, and I appreciate that. But in terms of, like, other Bravo people, not Summerhouse, I feel like I would if I had to switch my closet, I think I'd go Salt Lake City, actually. And I think I'd go Lisa Barlow. Okay. s**t. I have not watched Salt Lake City. So I don't know. Like, I only know the originals. Like, I don't know the originals. Like, I haven't watched Bravo in a while. No. I don't I don't either. Like, it's sometimes too intense to watch Bravo, which actually makes me sad because I do love reality TV, but, like, you can't when you when you're so close to it. You can't. You just, like, can't. Well, you're on every show, so you'd just be watching yourself. Yeah. It's a lot of therapy. But I feel like Lisa's Instagram, she, like, showcases her looks a lot, which I, like, enjoy. I also think Marlo Hampton loves a look too. So I'm very into her Instagram. She's always posting her outfits. But, yeah, there's no one I haven't seen enough of, like, the new New York to see, like, what each person's style is, but I think I'm biased to New York in general. But it's just so different to see, like, how Potomac dresses compared to, like, Beverly Hills. Like, it's just such a difference. Well, I just, like, I just wonder why all of the housewives, excluding the new New York because I Yep. I I've noticed that a lot of them dress. I I like their style too. It's different. Same. But why all the housewife franchises dress the way they do? Because there is a housewife look. For sure. And it's full Fendi jump suits. Yeah. It's bad. It's even still just it's like this, like, extra Yeah. Like, the vibe that that it's like, I can't exact I I, like, don't even know the words to describe it. It's just by saying, oh, it's a real housewife look. I feel like that's, like, what it is. And I just don't understand why they're not breaking away from that. I also think it's interesting too, like, watching housewives sometimes. I'll be like, oh, you got full hair and makeup before this. And it always, like, changes the vibe a little bit for me because I feel like on Summerhouse or, like, any of the other shows that aren't for like, how so I've franchises. We're not doing, like, hair and makeup. And, like, we are legit putting on clothes that, like, we picked out this that morning. So, like, it does change when I watch the housewives of, like, how I think of their looks. Because I'm like, oh, this was a very planned look. Yeah. And it's very housewife. Like, it's very intense. Erica Jade bringing her glam team on cast trips. What? Right. It's crazy. I couldn't imagine when I was on Vanderpump Rules if I, like, hit up my producer and I'm like, no. By the way, I'm also bringing my glam team. Don't worry, I'm obviously paying for it, but they'll be in, like, the hotel room next door. Like, I I think I would have been told no though. I don't think I would have been allowed to. No. I wouldn't have. No. Absolutely not allowed to because it's also like, well, you need to be ready in 10 minutes And, like, we're leaving. And it's like, okay. No, I think I think having my glam team for a little bit of it takes like the reality out of it for me sometimes. But I think they commit to a look, and I can't knock that. I can. Because the housewives don't win. They're never winning style wise. Like, I just I don't know what it is, but I can't get down with it. I want them to so badly. Yeah. Because we're all aging. Okay? We're all gonna we're all gonna be I am a housewife. Well, that was a sobering thought. I am a housewife. Moment. Yeah. So, like, I want to look up to them style wise. So I need everyone to get it together. I do feel like also on Housewives, I think there's, like, an overall undertone of they hate aging. And so part of their style, I do feel like is very young. And it's like, okay, you definitely wore that 10 years ago, maybe elevate it in this decade. Yeah. So I do feel a sense of, like, wanting to be young where I I feel like I'm a little bit opposite. Of course, there are times where I'm like, I wanna wear this crop top and miniskirt, but I enjoy that I feel like, oh, I wanna wear a blazer and I don't have to wear show any skin because this is way more chic. So, like, I like that. And I also have recently taught Craig, which is funny, that, like, we dress for girls. Mhmm. So, like, whenever he doesn't understand an outfit, he's like, but I'm sure the girls like it. Like, I don't No. You're you're 100% correct. Listen, Paige, you're talking to the queen of granny chic. Like, I'm annoyed. I I wonder how you feel because you like this type of look too. I'm annoyed that Sofia Richie has now made this this and it's she's not even quite luxury because, like, she's wearing branded everything all the time. Right. But it's this more this this covered up, understated, classy, timeless look that is now becoming popular, and I'm pissed off because that's already how I dressed. And now it's popular, which means that soon it will become unpopular, and then we're just gonna look like we're behind the times. No. That is my number one thing. I hate feeling like I put something out and I'm like, is this outdated though? Like, I hate that feeling. I love the Sofia Richie vibe because I when I was in high school, that was right when Gossip Girl came out. So I was, like, obsessed with, like, wearing a bow, putting a headband on, having a pleated skirt. Yeah. And so I feel like it's that, but, like, a little bit more elevated. Mhmm. But I I agree. I, like, hate when there are certain trends that I love, and then they go out because you're, like, I can't Yeah. Because the trend is actually just the way I dress. Right? Like, that's just how I've always dressed, so f**k. 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And I have to say, I've done it a lot of times because when it first came out, and I think it really started, like, 2 years ago. And, like, it's maybe a year ago. I'm not even I'd go far I'd go farther back. Or at least I feel like I was wearing feathers on Vanderpump Rules. Yeah. And that was a while ago. Feel like it's like, we did it. And we can pack it in, and we can wait till the next 20 years. And when it comes back in 20 years, great. We can do it again then. But I'm just very I'm very over the feathers, and I'm very over the feathers for brides. Oh. Because I feel like a lot of brides are doing it, and I just feel like it's a like, you're gonna look back and be like, why did I do feathers? That's another reason I like the Sofia Richie trend, because I feel like we're at a more of an advantage that when we look back and we show our daughters what we were wearing, it's not gonna be so crazy because it's very classic. Totally agree. Okay. I'll tell you one thing I'm over. Okay. A brightly colored, blazer dress. A neon blazer dress, a purple blazer dress. Wives. I can't f**king take a a a a bright colored blazer dress. And I was I agree. It's it's like, just stop it. Like, there's, like, blazers are always gonna be great. I wear blazer dresses all the time. Like, I wear blazers as dresses all the time. But there's the, like, kind of fitted, but not totally fitted. Has a cutout at some Has had a cutout. Somewhere. Yes. Somewhere there's a cutout. It's horrible. And I also don't like tiny purses because they they get in the way of everything. I can't hold my drink and my phone or, like, whatever I need to do. It's it's just it's annoying. It's annoying. I'm very excited that larger bags are coming back. Yeah. Because it's just I have things. Yeah. Big things to put in there. And it's just it's not realistic. I will say I did I do love the tiny bag, like, with a certain outfit. I'm still into it, but I'm very excited that bigger bags are back in style. They're cute in a photo. They're cute in your photo. That's that's about it. But, like, having to carry them out, that's a burden. It's unrealistic. It's a burden. It is. And it's like, I wish I could just put this in my pocket. Do you have any style pet peeves? So, like, they don't have to be trends, but style pet peeves. Here's one that's like, I think a little bit controversial and maybe like a little bit niche. But one of my pet peeves and I'm not saying that you should like go to the airport and be in like full outfit or, like, even be in heels. Like, I think you should be in a sneaker. I don't like when people travel in, like, legitimate pajama pants. Mhmm. Like, that really drives me insane. But I also don't like when someone's traveling in, like, a full heel and, like, an outfit. I think travel outfits are very important. Paige, we're the same person. I just don't think people put, like Airport OOTDs are my favorite kind. Yeah. Because it's like you're still leaving the house. Yes. You're getting on a plane, but, like, put together you're not going to camp. You're not on your way to camp. Like, put normal sweats on and, like, look put together. So I think that's one of my one of my biggest pet peeves. You know what drives me crazy? And I wonder if if you feel the same way. Because I could see you actually maybe because they're very this is very in right now. Okay. I don't like flip flops, but they're in. Do you feel the same way, or do you love them? Have you seen that they're also in for, like, men with suits on? No. I no. I haven't that's dark. That's really dark. No. It's so dark. Unless you're David Beckham, don't try that at home. Yeah. You're right. He he could. Stassi, in Charleston, and I didn't, like, realize it till I was, like, deep into dating Craig, But he would show up in, like, jeans and flip flops, and I would just be like, what's going on? Like, what why why are you doing this? And until I would, like, be at places in Charleston, I realized, like, all the men do that. And he was like, it's like a beachy town. And I was like, the beach is 15 minutes away. No. You know, it's not. Actually, I feel like it's, like, kind of metropolitan a little bit. Like, you didn't even know. Unless there's sand in between your toes, you shouldn't have flip flops on. I think it's, first and second of all, men's toes in general shouldn't wanna see them. Should never be exposed. That's harmful for children, and it's just like, I don't need it. I think there's a time and a place for everything, and flip flops are for the pool or the beach, not everyday life. Agreed. But now they have bled over into women's fashion. It's like, you know, The Row is selling flip flops, and, like, everyone's buying, like, classic flip flops, and it really upsets me. It hurts my feelings. I feel like it is the laziest shoe. Like like, shoes are, like, such an opportunity to decorate yourself, to, like, make a statement, to to pull an outfit together. And so why would we go for the lazy choice? I agree. What about even, like like, when people are doing like, there are a few girls I follow on Instagram, and they always do, like, the row flip flops that are, like, a little chunky and then, like, a maxi you hate it. You hate it. No. It's like I understand that that's what's in style. Yep. I I can I fully have digested it? I get it. But we're gonna look back on that Yeah. And be like, that was fugly. Okay. Then how do you feel about the ballet flat? Oh, I've been a ballet flat girlie my whole entire life. Like, that all throughout Vanderpump Rules, I was always wearing ballet flats. Everyone thought that I, like, looked like a grandma. I didn't give a f**k. And now they're back, and I'm like, you be a loser. You losers are just catching on now. I love it. I think it's so cute. Yes. And there's, like, there's nothing I love more than, like and you get to experience this all the time with Hartford, but, like, a little girl in a ballet flat, like, it makes me die. It's just so dainty and sweet. Zara has every ballet I mean, Hartford has every ballet flat from Zara that Zara has to offer. Like no. I love them. Yeah. Very cute. I'm always down for a ballet flat. How do you feel about UGGs? Again, with the UGGs, I feel like it's like a time and place. Like, if I'm traveling to tropical upstate New York Albany to see my family, I'm gonna rock an UGG. I'll totally rock an UGG. But if I'm in New York City and, like, I'm going somewhere in the city, like, even if it's running an errand, I'm probably not opting for my UGG. Because it's the lazy choice. Yeah. And it's just like UGGs for me is mountain house vacation. Mhmm. Great. Wear them all day. But your everyday shoe that's, like, your go to for something chill, I don't know. I think it's a little I also feel like I just have, like, PTSD in high school because, like, everyone wore UGGs. Yeah. And if you didn't have real UGGs, it was like I know. Adam, I got them for Christmas. It's all about having dupes. And I'm like, I used to lie in high school, like, when I would get the dupe of something, and now it's, like, so cool. Okay. Can I ask you about this? Because Yeah. TikTok, I keep being fed dupe videos. And I'm like, is this a thing, or is this just, like, my algorithm and I'm, like, one of 50 people that are seeing this? So dupes are actually a real thing that people like and brag about. No. Gen z redefined like a fake the fake industry and just retermed it dupe, and now it's it's everywhere. Like like, I remember in high school obviously, like, Amazon didn't exist when I was in high school, but I remember, like, Juicy Couture sweatsuits were if you didn't have a Juicy sweatsuit, it was like your parents don't love you. And I remember my mom, we would come down to New York City, and my mom would go out to Canal Street and buy me all these fake juicy sweatsuits. And I would be, like, obsessed and love them. And I would go to high school and no one would ever know and I would never tell anyone. And now it's all about finding, like, the expensive brand version on Amazon and, like, finding the dupe and saving money and, like, not gatekeeping. Have you heard of DHgate? Yes. I keep being fed this stuff on my TikTok. And I'm like, what is what is this world? DHgate is a wild place, and I can get on such a hole on TikTok of, like, watching girls order things from DH Gate that look real. And they're like, why would I buy this for $2,000 when I can buy it for 50? And I'm like, no. I get it. I totally get it. But But do they really like or do they look exactly the same? It depends. Like, I've seen some bags where I'm like, I feel like that's real. And, like, there was maybe like a stitch that was off or something and they couldn't sell it. But then I've seen things where I'm like, that was obviously like a fake that's like a fake bag that, like, they made. But I've seen girls get, like, shoes, boots, jackets. Like, it's an insane it's an insane world we live in. This is the thing. I don't know that I would have, like, respect for my dupe enough to wear it. You know? No. I get it. For this is funny. Hannah's, for Hannah's bachelorette party, we all went to Miami and she got this, like, fake Prada bag. And she was, like, wearing it the whole weekend. She got it somewhere in New York City, and she destroyed this bag. Like, I mean, it was black by the end of the weekend. I was like, what did you like, you threw this on the ground and stepped on it. Like, what did you do? She we were eating french fries off of it, like dipping it in ketchup because ketchup She didn't respect it. On the back. She respects it. And I was like, you know what? You are the perfect person for a dupe. Have this dupe back. Because 1, you don't really give a s**t about it. And 2, like, you can treat it like normal and not feel guilty that you've destroyed it. So we're down with dupes for destroyed it. So we're down with dupes for her specifically. There yeah. There are dupes people, and then there are not dupes people. And, like, I I think I would wear it if I didn't know it was a dupe. But I I just wanna wear the things in my closet that I know are the nice things that I was like, this was a moment. And I went and I spent my money on this, and I was so excited to find it. Like, that makes me excited to wear it. If I were to, like, buy a dupe somewhere online Yeah. That, like, came in like a s**tty box, it wouldn't make me excited to wear it. I feel like we're similar in terms of, like, I have real emotional connections For sure. To, like, things in my closet and, like, I'll get teary eyed. Yeah. I think, like, it's lost or I don't have it or, like, just things that, like, remind me of a certain point in my life where I'm, like, I'll never wear this again, but I would never get rid of it. Yes. Oh my god. One of my producers used to say, like, when he was when we would be doing interviews, you know, like the post interviews for the show or whatever, he'd be like, okay. Do you remember this day when you guys were filming blah blah blah? And so and so said that. And I was like, no. And I was like, what was I wearing? And Yes. Then he would tell me what I was wearing, and I'd be like, oh, yeah. I remember this person said that, and then this person said this as well. Like, if you just if I knew what I was wearing, I can remember the whole day. That big. Wait, Stazzy. I love that because when I was, like, growing up, my dad I, like, couldn't read. I couldn't do anything. Like, I should have been held back. My dad was so concerned for, like, how I was gonna make it in the world. And he would be like, I don't get it. She can't remember anything to take a test. But if you give her a date and tell her what she was wearing, she can tell us exactly what we did all day, what the conversations were. But like, she can't do her math homework. And I was just like, I don't know. This is just like who I am. And I have a photographic memory when it comes to my outfits. Yeah. They're just things that inspire us, things that spark joy, and that's our way of learning and remembering and, you know, digesting information. Yeah. And I appreciate it. And I hope my daughter is the exact same way, honestly. I will tell you, having a daughter who has her own specific style is the cutest thing. Like Yeah. The first two years of her life, like, she, like, obviously, I could dress her in whatever I wanted and I was, like, chic s**t all the time. And now she will only wear princess dresses. So I've just bought a million, like, cotton dresses that have princess tutus on it. Like, I find ways for her to wear a princess dress every f**king day. And it's like, it's it's it's not the chic outfit that I hope for you, but it's better because it's like her personal style. Hydration is super important. And it is now the holiday season, which means it's gonna be extra important because we're gonna be traveling. We're gonna be hosting our families. We're gonna be shopping. We're gonna be running around doing things. We're gonna be a lot of us are gonna be drinking, so we need to hydrate. Yes. I am talking about liquid IV, one of my favorite brands in the whole entire world. Their heart hydration multiplier that I use and drink all day long. When I say, like, it's one of my main food groups, I'm saying liquid IV is one of my main food groups. Let me explain what it is. Okay. Liquid IV, it hydrates you 2 times faster than water alone. So you get this little packet of liquid IV and they have all of these different flavors. 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The holidays are officially here, which means there's just so much to do all of the time, which also means that we don't have time to go to the grocery store all the time and be cooking for our families every night. There's just a lot going on. So see, I already am somebody who's not a good cook. I rely on Beau for the most part for that. But when I do have to cook for my family, I've always used HelloFresh because they make it so easy. Okay? HelloFresh with HelloFresh, you get farm fresh pre portioned ingredients and seasonal recipes delivered right to your doorstep. Okay? So all you have to do is go on their website and you can choose from over 45 weekly recipes and choose exactly how many you want, when you want it to arrive, and you take it out. The directions are so easy and there's so many different things to choose from. They also have, like, easy breakfasts. They have quick lunches. They have snacks. So not just dinners, but I just love the fact that also, like, if I decide to have a dinner party, I would go to HelloFresh and I would pick what meal I want, the amount of people that I am serving and convince them that I made that from scratch. Like, for real, like, why not do that? Because every all the ingredients are fresh. They just, like, made it easy for you. And when you go to the grocery, you end up buying all of these ingredients that end up going to waste because you just bought too much of it. HelloFresh makes life so much easier. So go to hellofresh.com/ Stassie free and use code Stassie free for free breakfast for life. One breakfast item per box while subscription is active. So that's free breakfast for life at hellofresh.com/ Stasse free with code Stasse free. Okay. I have a question because I'm when it comes to, like, style, I always will send things to my mom, and I think, like, my mom has a great personal style, and I've always, like, looked up to her style. But there are times now where I'll wear something and she'll be like, I just don't love it. And I just, like, I think you can find something better. And sometimes I'll get so in my head and be like, wait, she's so right. I should change. But then there are other times that I'm like, you don't know everything. And I like this outfit. Do you feel like you're gonna be the kind of mom where you're like, Hartford, just listen to me on this one. I know that this looks better. Or are you gonna be like, it's your own style. Do whatever you want. It's your own style. Do whatever you want. Yeah. I'm I I I really hope that I don't go back on that. But, like, I think that because I understand personal style so much. And when my like, my mom said the same thing to me the other day. I had an oversized coat that, you know, like, had you know, it's it's extra. It looks like it's your a man's coat. Yeah. And my mom's like, it just looks like you're hiding under Beau's coat. And I'm like, that's the vibe, mom. Like, that's actually what's chic and cool right now. So, like, stop talking. Shut your mouth. Shut Yeah. It before I get insecure. I think I'm completely get it. I'm gonna trust that Hartford knows what's up. Yeah. I feel like she already does because I feel like I'm, like, watching your Instagram stories, I watch her watch, like, you, And I'm like, oh my god. This is a little fashionista. Like, her wheels are spinning. And she's like, I wanna wear that. Like, I like, you can just tell she likes that stuff. It no. Like, I watch her put on a nightgown or a dress, and she has to, like she instantly just looks me in the eye and walks over to her mirror and does this, like, thing, does the twirl and then says, go show papa. And I'm like, girl, go show papa. Oh my god. And then she has to go up and find Beau and show papa, and he has to go, bellissima. Oh, boni. Whatever he says in Italian or whatever. And that it's, like, the cutest f**king thing in the entire world. That's so cute. And it's so important to be able to give your dad a fashion show. I think that, like, I'm not kidding. I think that, like, shaped a lot of how I date. That's so interesting. Yeah. Like, because coming home from shopping, obviously, like, you I would spend that whole day with my mom and have that moment of, like, oh my god. I love everything I'm buying. But to come home and then show my dad, like, put everything on and do a full fashion show is like a core memory of my childhood, like, for sure. So I love that. Oh my gosh. That's really sweet. She's gonna take no s**t from any of them. Any dude. Yeah. What I wanted to ask you a question because you since you were talking about dupes, I've noticed that everyone on Instagram has an Hermes bag. Like, everyone. No. Like, every like, every single person. And and a lot of them have multiple Hermes bags. And I'm just wondering where everyone got 10 to $30,000 just to to to throw at handbags. DHgate. Are you focused? Because, though. No. Because here's the thing. I've noticed that too. And there are certain people that I've seen with Hermes, like a Kelly bag or a Birkin bag. And I'm like, actually, you probably did get that. Like, in some way, I know your family's richer. I know what you do for work, and you probably did get that. But then there's a whole other group of people where I'm just like, I don't know. It's everyone though. Got that. Because also knowing how hard Hermes is in general, like, I have girlfriends who are very successful and, like, if they wanted to buy anything they could and have, like, walked into Hermes and been like, okay, I'm gonna buy a Birkin and them just being like, no. You know? So it's not that easy to even get one if you can afford it. I know. That's why I'm shook by this. I don't understand. And I've I've like, did I fall asleep for a year? Like, what when did this all happen? It felt like it was last summer. This, like, last summer, everyone was going to f**king the south of France with Hermes bags. And I'm Yep. I I feel left out. Are you a bag person or a jewelry person? Oh, jewelry. Oh, okay. So I'm a bag person. Oh, you are? Different on that. I mean, I would say shoes over shoes and jewelry over bags, like any day, actually. You know what? It's something I really admire about you. I feel like you're either, like, born with this or you're not, and my mom is and you are. I feel like you guys have a really good eye for shoes. Where, like, I feel like I can pick out shoes, but there are some times where you'll wear a shoe and I'm like, where did she even find that? Like, I think you have a really good you should start a shoe line, honestly. I would doubt about it. Of course, I f**king thought about that. That is like I mean, every girl who loves shoes dream. I mean, see, I don't have that love for shoes like that. I like I like shoes and I do like, I get excited when I find a really good one. But I feel like you're born with, like, being able to find that one shoe that looks so good with a certain outfit. My mom can always do it, and I feel like you're very good at that too. I really love that compliment. Thank you so much. And I will say this, I think also the reason that I love shoes over bags is it's like there's it's actually so much less expensive to have a designer nice shoe than it is to have a designer bag. Like, a designer bag is gonna be a few $1,000. A designer shoe is gonna be $1,000. So, like, I still feel like I have some sort of luxury item that I'm wearing. Yeah. And it's not as expensive. And also, it's just like, who doesn't want their, like, to, like, bejewel their feet? It's like No. I agree. It's I I love a Steve Madden show. I'm like, I will always be with you. Paige. No. No, Paige. I'm sorry. I'm gonna offend. I'm gonna offend, like, 95% of my listeners right now. But when I say I cannot stand Steve Madden, like, and it's not just like you could show me Steve Madden's shoe, and like, I wouldn't even know it's Steve Madden or not. It's like the whole experience of what Steve Madden, like, going in there, what it is, if the shoe is s**tty. It falls apart. It's like not no. I no. No. It's it's still it's limited to vibes. Like, it's still like, you walk in, you're just like, what is this place? The thing for me is I am so rough on shoes for whatever reason. Like, it doesn't matter. I will break a heel. Like, I will scuff up the leather. So, like, that's why I always break a heel. I've never broken a heel in my life. I don't know. I'm so rough on shoes. I've my mom has yelled at me my whole life about it. But I will say there is a difference when you put on a Steve Madden boot to them putting on, like, a Stuart Weitzman boot. Like, there really is no comparison. No. There's not. I'm sorry. Like, there's not. There are just some things that I will I will not sacrifice, and Yeah. I will never I I have no respect for the Steve Madden shoe. That's the thing. Right. I I don't have any respect for it, so I would never go put on. It could be the cutest f**king shoe in the world, but I don't have respect for it. You have morals, and that should be celebrated, you know? You're true to yourself, and I appreciate it. Before every season of any show that you go on, do you, like, do a full blown, like, shopping haul and, like, prepare before the season, or do you just, like, shop as you go and stress yourself out before, like, different events and things and just, like, spend your life stressed out about it? Probably the latter. I try and, like, prepare for it. So I would say, like, we start filming Summer House in July, and I'd say I probably start, like, looking at summer clothes and, like, ordering them in May just so that, like, the first couple of weeks I have things to pick from. But it's funny. With Summerhouse, we all do it so differently. Like, Amanda, for example, packs that first weekend all of her clothes and then brings them out to the Hamptons. And I think that that is behavior of a serial killer. Because I'm like, Amanda, what if What if you don't New York and you need that pair of shoes and they're in the Hamptons? Will you not kill everyone around you that, like, you own the shoes, but you can't wear them with this outfit because they're in the Hamptons. She's like, never happened. Never thought about it. Like, I wouldn't wear this in the city. And I just that's so not me. So we usually get a schedule of, like, what we might potentially be doing that weekend. So I very much pack based on events and outfits. And then, of course, I'll bring, like, a few extra. But then I pack that all up on Sunday and bring all that back to New York with me. Because god forbid. Yeah. No. I need I feel that. One shirt Yeah. In the city, and I don't have it. So but, yeah, I'm generally stressed out all the time just about, like, different events I need outfits for. And then let's be honest. You wear something and you're like, I love this, and then everyone hates it. And you're just like, okay, great. Like, I only planned this outfit for a month. But I've I've gotten a lot better at that because when I truly do love an outfit, there's really no changing my mind. Like, that's it. I love it. Like, I don't care if you don't. And I think that's just from years of loving fashion. Do you have any looks that you look back on that you're like, f**k. Why did I do that? Yeah. Definitely. Pretty much every reunion I've ever been on. Oh, me too. That's so crazy. Is it like I feel like I played it so safe at every single reunion because I didn't wanna look back and look like a housewife, like, when they get there so extra. So I'm like, I'm gonna tone it down and just keep it really simple. But now that I look back on the reunions, I'm like, they were just boring. They were boring looks. I feel like I didn't realize until, like, a couple years in that I wasn't great at putting a whole look together in terms of, like, hair and makeup matching the vibe of the dress or, like, went to someone and my hair looked awful. So there are times where I'm like, wow, that could have been a great dress if my head didn't look like that. So, like, the look wasn't cohesive. Yeah. And so that's something that, like, will annoy me when I look back. But in terms of, like, full outfits, I think it's more just like things go out of style and then I'm like, oh, I can't believe I wore that. But I know in the moment I liked it, so I don't, like, beat myself up about it too much. Because I'm like, well, I loved it though. Do you have a stylist that you use to tell to tell you, like, okay. You need to do your hair and makeup like this to go with this look? No. But I do have a bunch of girlfriends who are stylist. So, like, whenever so, like, for a perfect example is, like, before Summer House, I'll, like, call them and be, like, look, can you just make, like, a huge lookbook of everything that's, like, on the Internet right now? And I'll just, like, go through and pick stuff, And then I'll order that. So like working with a stylist in, like, an I work with a stylist in, like, an untraditional way. Like, I would never be able to have them put together an outfit for me and then me wear that exact thing. Yeah. But I do like having someone to, like, bounce ideas off of and someone who, like, is shopping all day long, like, knows what's on every website, knows what's dropping. That is, like, extremely helpful for when it comes to, like, packing and stuff. That sounds like a dream. I will tell you, the thing I miss most about reality TV is an excuse to put on cute outfits all the time. Yeah. Yeah. And I just feel like I'm on TV. Like, yeah, there are probably times, like, I wouldn't have worn that in real life to go to dinner. But, like, we're watching a TV show, and that's why I initially would watch Bravo because, like, I wanna see a look. Yeah. Like, I don't I don't wanna see you wearing, like, what all my friends from high school wear to go to lunch. No. Like, that's boring for me. My biggest Bravo Pef Peeve right now is that everyone's just wearing their merch sweatshirts. And I'm like, no. Yeah. Porno. No. Like and I'm guilty of I I have done it before. But, like, no. Weird people wanna watch TV and see fashion. They wanna see style even if it's bad. Just like just do something. But everyone just wearing their merch sweatshirts all the time in every scene, I can't it it makes it makes me wanna turn off the television. No. I agree. I feel like that's the only reason people watch, like, Selling Sunset is because they just look so you're like the this is a wild outfit. That's okay. So I haven't seen Selling Sunset, and everyone tells me that. They're like, no. Like, you don't understand. They go to, like, a coffee shop in, like, ball gowns. No. It's so crazy. I even watched this new season, but, like, any seasons I would watch, I don't even know people's names or what their, like, intense drama is. I would just watch to see what they would wear. And, I mean, they dress well. It's just like such a crazy look for, like, the middle of the day at Starbucks. You're just like, oh my god. That's a full, it's a full Prada outfit and just wild. Do you do you, do you style Craig? Okay. Let me settle in for this one. So when Craig and I first started dating, I definitely, like, would give him suggestions or be like, oh, I don't like that. And I didn't oh, I don't like that. And I didn't realize, like, he's just my sensitive, sweet boy. He would get, like, really upset about it. What is his birthday? He's February 9th. He's an Aquarius. Okay. And he would get, like, really upset. Like, okay. Like, you don't like anything that I wear. And I'm like, I'm not saying this to, like, beat you down. I feel like I'm try I'm helping you. Yeah. And so it was like a very slow burn. And then eventually, when he would wear outfits that I put together for him and people, like, loved them, now he's, like, all over it. I was like, you gotta pick out my outfit. Like, you gotta help me. And so for Bravocon this year, him and Austin went to Suitsupply, set up, like, the FaceTime, and they just came out and showed me different outfits. And I said yes or no or try it with this. And I felt like a mom, like, getting her kids ready for school. I was like, we're doing back to school shopping, and they looked amazing. They looked the best I've ever seen them. Wait. I love that. So I am seriously lacking Yeah. In my knowledge of men's fashion, and it's like, I don't even know what's It's because we what's not. Don't care. I don't. Yeah. Like, people will message me all the time and be like, your Beau does not match you. You're gonna let him wear those crazy vans with his Rams hat and blah blah blah. And I'm like, this isn't about Beau. This is like he this is about me right now and my could show up in Hartford's, princess dresses, and I'd be like, great for him. Because I yeah. Like, I care I care so much about my outfits, but I do try and help Craig when he asks me for it. But then I've realized, like, I'll pick out pieces for him, but then Hole put the outfit together. And so then I make him think, like, he did it on his own. Yeah. You know, I, like, gave him the tools. So it's all about just, like, tricking him. No. You guys are, like, such a f**king stylish couple. I just love that y'all are together. Like, I really do. Like, not to put the pressure on because I I know, like, that's that must be really annoying to have every to have so many people be like, never break up. But, like No. I know. But I no. I appreciate people, like, loving our relationship, and I don't I really don't feel pressure from anyone to, like, move to the next step. But I will say Craig is, like, the first boyfriend I've had that I not that I was like, oh, maybe I'm the problem. But, like, that has definitely changed certain things about my personality that I never thought needed to be changed. Like, I definitely am a little softer in certain areas, and I definitely don't take as certain things as seriously. And he's so, like, laid back in terms of, like, I'm very regimented and, like, like, a 5 year plan or, like, a list. And he's very go with the flow. And so I will say he definitely balances me in a lot of areas that I needed balancing. Well, you guys work together so much. Like, you spend so much time together. Like, how is it being on 3 f**king shows together? Like, do you have like, are there moments where you're like, why did you just, like Yeah. Help me on that? Or, like, why didn't you keep that part private? Or, like, why did you do do you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Absolutely. I'll never do 3 shows again at the same time. That was probably one of the craziest years of my life. And I didn't really realize, like, that I was signing on for 3 shows the way it happened. Being on TV, like, I was on it was Winter House aired, then Summer House aired, then Southern Charm aired. And it was mentally not okay because I just I was being criticized for, like, normal things or, like, people had opinions on normal situations, but for a full year. And Mhmm. I realized it was way too much. And I take, like, the off season of not filming very seriously in terms of, like, you kinda have to go back into your normal life. Because if you're in show life all year round, like, that's not good. No. It's not. Like, for your mental health. And like so one of the things, like, with Hannah not being on Bravo anymore was like a crazy time. And she would agree too that I think it was like the best thing, one, that ever happened to her. And Oh, for sure to her. That, like, ever happened to me too. Because I now see her as such a different friend and almost like an escape friend, because I have to get out of the reality TV world sometimes. And so, like, when I'm with her is when I feel my most self. Mhmm. And so being in a relationship on it, I think Craig is also really good at being like, okay, we're not filming right now. Like, we need to do real life things and like hang out with our real friends that aren't on TV shows. And so we work really, really hard at like trying to balance that because you can tell when you're watching t like reality TV, the people that are way too into it and, like, have slipped fully into it. No. And I Paige, I know. And that's so great that you're aware of it. Like, it took me being out of it to realize that, like, when you're on reality TV for so long, your emotional, like, intelligence just, like, starts to just, like, go way down. Like, you have to work on your emotional intelligence because you're in this crazy situation where your producers are making you think that, like, everything you think and feel are the most important thing in the world Yes. And that you have to say then what what you say matters so much. And so you think that you're the center of the f**king universe, and then you're also told you have to, like, you know, out your friends for certain things, and and they they they disguise that as being, like, well, it's the truth. We're telling the truth. But in normal life, you probably wouldn't be out in your friends for certain things. You you wouldn't be, like, digging for for it's just like a really crazy experience to be in that that I it's great that you know that and that both you and Craig make an effort to do normal things outside of it. Because now that I've been outside of it for so long and I see some of the people that are still so far into it, I'm like, they can't help it. Like, they just don't know yet. They just don't know that, like, the real world outside of filming a show isn't like this. But it's wild to see, like, them so f**king wrapped up in themselves. And, like, I think over the past couple of years, I've made, like, such an effort, like, way more of an effort with my girlfriends who aren't on TV to, like, stay so connected to them. Because I'm like, you knew me before. And I'll always do, like, an inventory with my best friend from high school. I'll always be like, am I still the same? Is there anything that, like, you think that I, like, am different and I can't see? And so, like, having even one person in your life to be such a truth teller Yeah. I feel like is, like, so important. And so, like, I always I look to my friend Stephanie and I look to Hannah for that so much. Because I'm like, if I'm acting like a crazy person who's like the star of reality TV, I need you to tell me immediately. Like, because that's not me. And so, like, obviously, I'm in therapy, and I think everyone should be in therapy regardless, specifically people on reality TV. And like, the number one thing I always she'll always say to me is like, you need to take inventory of like, who is Paige DeSorbo. Mhmm. And so there are times where I'm just like, who am I? And like, is that naturally how I wanna react? Or is that how I wanna treat people? And like, it sounds like juvenile almost that I have to, like, have that thought process. But No. It comes with your job. Like, you that I think that's like so healthy of you. Yeah. And there are obviously, there are so many times that, like, on like, things that have happened on reality TV TV that I'm like, I should have never done that, or I should have never said that, or, like, that's so not me. And I can get in this, like, warp of, like, hating myself for it. But then I realized, like, okay. Well, then just be different moving forward. And then the next time a situation like that comes up, remember this, and you hated how you reacted. And so it's obviously all, like, a learning and growing experience, but I'm thankful to have Craig in it with me. And I'm so thankful to have Hannah because I would if I didn't have Hannah, I don't know what what I would be. Honestly, like, I even rely on Hannah now sometimes. Like, who would have thought? Like, I text her for advice. I'm just like, how do you do this? How do you do this? Hannah is just, like, killing life. There are times where I'll be, like, just being a raging lunatic, and and Craig will be, like, you know what? I'm calling Hannah because she's the only one that can deal with this and your thought process. Like, call Hannah, like, talk to her about it. So I'm, like, no. Don't tell her I'm doing this. Isn't it crazy that such a great, wonderful person just, like, got fired, like, so unfairly, like, in a No. Situ like, it was like, it actually, like, kind of blows my mind. And I'm just like, I love seeing everything that she's accomplishing right now because it's like you were meant for more. You were meant for more. A 100%, percent. And she is and always will be the star of Summer House. Like okay. Paige, I f**king love you. I love you. Wait. We have to get to get dinner. Me, you, Hannah, Taylor, Claudia, I'm sick of it now. No. I know. I need to make a trip out to New York once I feel like there's a reason to. Like, I can't just, like, pick up and leave, like, my kids unless there's, like, an actual reason Right. Right. Unfortunately. No. But, like, I am dying for this, like, girl squad. I wanna be a part of it. Also, if you and Craig come out to LA again Yes. Like, when we went to dinner for Valentine's Day, I'm sorry that I got sick and had to go home early because I felt like I was gonna vomit. I had just started vaping, and, I vaped too much. I had, like, yelled at Craig in the Uber home because he, like, pissed me off that night anyway. So, like, I'll never I'll never be mad at going home early. Okay. Well, no. I felt like I'm like, I am such an embarrassment. I'm like a new mom that, like, hasn't drank or vaped before ever. Granted, I don't vape I don't vape now, you guys. Okay? But, like, I tried it out weakness. Back then, and it made me so sick. And I'm like, I'm a loser. Yeah. I'm a loser, and Paige is gonna think I'm a loser. Not at all. If anything, I was like, I love her because I love going home. Thank you. Great. Okay. Everyone, go follow Paige at Paige Desorbo on Instagram. Go listen to her and Hannah Burner on giggly squad. You're also touring. You seriously are the biggest like, you're the hardest worker on Bravo. Like Thank you so much. I truly Totally. Tired. Thank you. Well, I'm so, so happy to have talked to you, and I can't wait till we get to meet up in person again. Yes. Absolutely. Alright. Bye, guys.

Past Episodes

Stassi sits down with Sarah Hoover to discuss her memoir, The Motherload which is Stassi?s absolute favourite. Sarah opens up about her experiences with postpartum depression, childbirth  trauma, and those first few years of motherhood when she felt completely disconnected from her baby. It?s a raw, relatable conversation that will make every mom feel seen and less alone. They dive into the messy, beautiful truths of motherhood, the identity shifts, the boring baby classes, and  the magical moments that make it all worth it. Plus, they swap spooky ghost stories (because why not?) and how they?ve found their groove as mom?s. This episode is like a cozy chat  with your besties?honest, empowering, and a reminder that you?re not alone in the wild ride of motherhood.

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01:21:38 2/12/2025

Stassi is spilling all the royal tea in this episode, and it?s all about the one and only Marie Antoinette! Joined by Even the Royals co-hosts Brooke Siffrin and Aricia Skidmore-Williams, they?re diving into the life of history?s most glamorous (and controversial) queen.

They?re breaking down the wildest rumors, the scandalous 18th-century tabloids (think TikTok drama channels), and the infamous Diamond Necklace Affair that helped topple the monarchy. Turns out, Marie was the original victim of cancel culture?hated for things she didn?t even do. Stassi opens up about her deep connection to Versailles, sharing why she?s so drawn to its opulence and drama. Together, they debate the highs and lows of royal life and tie it all together with a chat about Meghan Markle. 

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01:09:46 2/5/2025

Stassi is joined by her sister Georgi for a fun-filled catch-up packed with laughs and sisterly banter. They dive into the age-old debate: who?s got it worse?middle kids or firstborns? (Hint: Stassi?s the firstborn and has opinions.) They also dish on Hartford?s Wicked-meets-Frozen birthday bash and chat about how parents today are upping their playground game to avoid mom-shaming. Stassi fangirls over Outlander?s latest time-travel twists, reminisces about rocking the Castlecore vibe before it was trendy, and wraps up with dreamy Jonathan Bailey moments. This episode is pure sisterly fun!

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01:11:54 1/29/2025

In the short but terrible time that we thought TikTok was gone, Stassi had some big realizations?like maybe high-stress situations aren?t her thing. Thankfully, TikTok survived, and now she?s joined by hysterical TikTok star Max Balegde! They spill royal tea, laugh about Max?s sweaty hands debacle, and swap stories about Disney conspiracy theories. From Samuel L. Jackson?s unrecorded interview to Max?s rise from viral videos to international TV, this episode is packed with hilarious moments and UK vibes. All thanks to the app that almost wasn?t!

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01:22:54 1/22/2025

Stassi and Beau share their deeply personal story of navigating the Los Angeles wildfires, where everything changed in an instant. As they struggled to manage their fear and panic?Stassi showing hers outwardly, Beau trying to stay calm?they worked together to prepare their kids and make the emotional decision to evacuate their beloved home before winds kicked back up this week.

They reflect on how losing a home, whether you?re a celebrity or not, is about so much more than walls?it?s about memories, safety, and love. They are both consumed with thoughts of those who have lost absolutely everything they have worked hard to build. It's unimaginable. If you feel inclined to donate, at the end of the episode, they share some organizations supporting wildfire victims that are making a big difference.

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01:22:38 1/17/2025

Stassi and C-O-Lo are kicking off 2025 with some major New Year's energy! After a long break with her kids, she?s feeling emotional about Hartford growing up?especially now that her daughter lives in her Elphaba outfit and has her contemplating a Frozen-meets-Wicked birthday party mashup. Stassi is on a mission to find her word of the year, taking inspo from Meghan Markle?s resilience, and spilling on how she?s tackling social anxiety as part of her New Year's goals.  Plus, she?s narrowing down her signature scent and embracing her forever love for Castlecore (she was into it before it was trendy). New year, new magic, and all the energy focused on manifesting positivity!

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01:14:18 1/8/2025

Stassi and her bestie Taylor Strecker are diving into holiday laughs and festive fun in this special Christmas Day episode. They kick things off dreaming up Jesus? signature cocktail (espresso martini or Prosecco?) and laughing about Stassi?s idea for a gallery-worthy painting of Jesus with his drink of choice?sorry, Beau! TikTok panic is real as Stassi preps for its possible farewell, and Taylor spills the tea on hosting Anna Delvey at her holiday party. From cheetah-print ornaments to Santa Barbara Christmas plans and toddler-level Santa logistics, it?s holiday magic, laughs, and plenty of inappropriate gifts. Cheers!

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01:06:50 12/25/2024

Stassi and C-O-Lo are bringing the holiday cheer and a side of awkwardness in this festive episode! Stassi dives into her deep discomfort with opening gifts in front of people (can we normalize private gift-opening, please?) and shares her hilarious white elephant story, complete with sneaky gift-hiding. They chat about the lost art of thank-you cards, go-to holiday gift ideas, and the magic of Elf on the Shelf. Plus, Stassi vents about Beau hijacking her perfectly curated wrapping aesthetic, and they swap stories about revealing the big secret about Santa. It?s all things holiday, with laughs, relatable rants, and plenty of sparkle!

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01:09:41 12/18/2024

Stassi?s back, and this time, Beau joins her for what?s basically a podcast date night. They kick things off with Stassi?s mysterious chin pain and dreams of a Mommy Makeover before diving into a hilarious game of questions. From social media icks like caption cringe and overused filters to conspiracies about secret celebrity tunnels with elite Starbucks, nothing?s off-limits. Stassi debates how she?d prove she?s from the future (witch or leader vibes?), and Beau dreams of a 1960s sports car while Stassi plans to splurge on Versailles antiques. It?s all fun, laughs, and a lot to talk about with these two!

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01:12:47 12/11/2024

Stassi kicks off December with her BFF Taylor Strecker for a hilarious chat that covers everything from Christmas chaos to internet trolls. Stassi shares her dream of escaping LA?s holiday monotony, and the duo swaps parenting stories, like Messer?s energy overload to Hartford tattling on bounce house kids, and Stassi hilariously ?tells on herself? as a self-proclaimed narc They dive into celebrity gossip, including Taylor?s viral Page Six moments, and dish on beauty trends like preventative facelifts. Add yin-yang twin dynamics, Stassi's awkward Moana premiere moment, and a little Lindsey Lohan glow-up admiration?it?s holiday overload!

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01:11:15 12/4/2024

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