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What do you think about Erin? I mean, I think we can guess. You are listening to pop apologists, and today we discuss the indignities Lauren is suffering in her journey to find a job. The celebrity couples, we follow a little too closely on Instagram, Stassi Schroeder's epic meltdown and Vanderpump Rules. Leah from Rooney's Naked Tiki Torch Tantrum. And Our Shameful Secret Thoughts about Denise Richards husband Aaron Buckland. Baby. Well, well, well, episode four, we finally got here, they say third time's a charm while fourth time it's going to blow you out of the water. People are really just going to be shocked. They're going to be titillated and they're going to be surprised for the beautiful and exciting ideas, thoughts, inspiration, stories, tales, everything we have in store for them today. All right. Well, with that over promise, we have to get this started with a little bit of news. It is sadder. Our third member who completed our trifecta, Megan, has had some things come up and some things she needs to prioritize and so she will not be joining us for the future. It's very sad that we will miss her with every episode and we'll just try and soldier on without our dearest Megan. We're going to try our best. We totally miss her. And before you get any dramatic thoughts in your head or before your brain starts running wild with scenarios of why the PUP apologists have dispersed. Let's just squash any rumors. We don't want the Daily Mail reporting on this. Yeah, Megan has just had some work. Things come up and she's just going to be way too busy professionally. And so, like Chen said, we will always love her and she will always be a pop apologist. And with the sad news. Let's dig into it, shall we? Let's do it. Chan, how has your first week been in quarantine? My first week this now this is your last week, the last. How is your last week, Ben? The lab? I certainly not the last week of quarantine, but this almost literally cannot win. How has the week prior to today been for you? Look, I'm just saying all the time is a flat circle right now, and I need to cling to any sense of structure, OK? And my commitment to precision, I'm wondering about the statement. Time is a flat circle. Is that philosophical? Time is a flat circle. Time is a flat circle koan that a poem. It's maybe an incorrect haiku. It just basically means that it goes on forever and ever, and there is no clear end or beginning. OK, but if it went on forever and ever, it would be a three dimensional circle. But if it's a flat surface, I mean, a circle of two dimensional circle doesn't go on forever and ever. Honestly, round neither of us majored in physics, and it's showing right now. So let's just let's just keep it. Oh, let's dig into it. So it was my friend's birthday shout out, Ben, and I really needed to prove to myself that I was capable of hobbies and by hobbies, I mean baking. So I decided to make not just one dessert, but two from scratch. I woke up at 6:50 a.m. ready to prove this to myself, got suited up. I went to the store. I got into several tiffs with mom about messing up the kitchen for this cake and pie. I was just telling her about how much stress this had put me under. Mind you, this was all self-induced stress. I really put this cross upon myself. Yeah, it was certainly the cross you had built to bear on your own. But I will say that mom love her. She will admit this openly and she'll shout it from the rooftops of her San Clemente home. Whenever you use her kitchen, it is like nails on a chalkboard for her. You hear it happening. I can hear the mess beginning, and it doesn't matter how much you vow to clean it afterward. She just doesn't like it. And so, yes, using her kitchen is it's a thing of courage to try to do so. I applaud that. Thank you. This was an act of bravery. And so in all this, stress and fury really made his birthday more about me than about him. And I actually think this is my most natural hobby making other people's events about yourself. Yes. And so that's the that's the breakthrough that I reached this week. Although it was a gorgeous chocolate cake and icebox pie. Did you have an amazing Breton's birthday? Was Ben's birthday just like a great day for you? Ben's birthday was such a great day for me personally. It was one of my favorite days anyways, so my hobbies are going well. I'm just picking them up along the way in this quarantine quest to find myself. Wait, so tell me how baking a cake from scratch was it actually that hard, or did you just have to mix the stuff in Mom's $350 KitchenAid? This is the validation and the true narrative I was looking forward to telling you. Yes, it was hard. I had to sift the ingredients twice and I don't know. You probably don't know what sifting is. I had to use like a strainer and you have to pour like the flour and all of the dry ingredients through a sifter into a bowl. And then you have to report another bowl to make sure everything was properly mixed. I watched Ina Garten video on making a chocolate cake where she sifts flour. Two weeks ago. Oh, that's interesting. Ahead of the sifting game, you've actually never you've never mentioned sifting or anything like it before. Like and we've hung out and talked like every day since. So it's just fun. Well, it's like I've mentioned trusting, do you know how to trust a chicken? You mean, do you even know it trusting, trust me? Maybe watch the video when I was at your apartment or feel like, oh, the video of her dressing the chicken? Yeah, shoot you. Do you know what that means? Anyway, I've done it. Have you ever tied to a chicken together with string channel? Like, I don't look. I don't like handling raw poultry. I don't know what I'm going to like cross that threshold in my adult life, but I just don't like handling it. I'm sorry, I will be honest with you. When I was handling the raw bird. Yeah, Ayana starts off her video, saying. Giblets have been taken out and reserve is their time. And I just I just took that for granted when I first watched the video, I just thought, Yeah, the giblets have been removed. No problem. I never handled the robber before. I definitely took took that for granted. So when I got my chicken that I was going to bake this week because I did oven roast Rico, of course, infringing on my hobbies. And it was delicious and stunning. I gather Robert and it was a very carnal and spare me. No, no, I'm not saying there was like any that wasn't positively. It wasn't like I wasn't desire. There was no like, I don't know. It was. It was strange. Like, was it graphic? It was kind of graphic and obscene, holding the chicken, being able to fully see like where the head had been severed, you know? And then like the the whole side of each end, it was actually somewhat dark to hold the raw bird the most graphic part of the experience. Here it was, removing the giblets do the story. No, I don't want to hear and I don't hear about gizzards. I want hear at Gillette's. I just it's not Thanksgiving and I want to hear those words. I want to just move forward. Tell me it's okay. Just tell me I put my hand through to get the giblets out, and it was like a pretty constricting area that was putting my hands there. Like it was like, I'm just saying, this is a lot of work to get these giblets out, you know, like, I can't I can't fit my fist through whatsoever. Like, it's probably only like five fingers, but not the not the actual. We need to put an explicit markings to this episode now. Anyway, it's becomes abundantly clear to me, like two minutes into struggling to get the giblets out that I'm going in through the wrong. Oh, I know, is that so my chest is throwing up? I think I'm having a panic attack mid episode. I'm oh, I mean, the things you do when trying to make a delicious meal, I will say I know did not prepare me for what exactly is involved in removing the giblets. I don't think she removes the giblets on on her little videos because she's always wearing like a lovely button up out like linen shirt. And she couldn't. She couldn't remove the she couldn't get elbow deep in that with with those types of shirts on oh, not even close. Yeah, well, it's only uphill from here, I suppose. Yeah. Anyway, this week your quarantine quest to find yourself, you baked a cake for Ben for his birthday and made his birthday all by yourself. What else? You know, I've actually not been working this whole week. I've had the week off of work. I returned back to our childhood home and I've been living in my childhood bed, which is a twin, which is very small. I'll just go ahead and say that a twin bed is very small, and if anyone here sleeps in a listening here slips in a twin bed like I'd like to start a go, fund me for you and get you out of that situation. The other room with ocean view right now. I wish I was in the with the ocean view. My mom has painted that into her painting studio, and she's not once been in there to paint the entire time I've been home. I mean, I mean, like Kourtney's old room, the room that used to have charcoal brown roll walls, thanks to you. OK, well, that room also has a twin bed, and I just know it's a fold. It's a full Lauren. You've been sleeping in a fall thinking it was a twin try. A twin was a fall. Yeah, yeah, you're right. That is a twin. All sort of. OK, well, I will say that there's something about waking up in in your childhood home that just makes you feel particularly not successful or cool. At twenty six, when I moved home for a little while to figure out my life. I remember, like people would always ask me, Well, how you know, how are things going? Like, I would always just kind of be like, Well, you know, woke up on my childhood bedroom today. So now, well, b***h, and at least you had you had the best childhood bedroom. So I don't even feel bad for you. Yeah, that's true. OK, I'm interrupting making your quarantine quest to find yourself all about me like you did Ben's birthday. Anything else you want to go over? You vacation for a week? No, that's it. Your first. Your last year, prior week in quarantine? No. I mean, I'm excited for what the next one holds. Yes. So what about you? Well, my week, my week has been really good. As I as I told an explicit detail, I roasted a chicken and got pretty graphic. But I've had a I've had a really good time cooking and, you know, working on our Instagram account and means and just loving that. But I will say, Lauren is the main queen. I will say this. Lauren is driving ninety nine percent of the content right now. I'm working on getting better at it and Lauren is killing the game. I had no idea what an undertaking this would be, but thank you and I'm I'm excited to keep going. So anyway, wow, my week. My week has been good. I will say I have made a little bit of progress on applying to jobs. I would say I did one thoughtful job application this week. Great. Yeah, it's great. But you know what happens when you do? So there's two different types of job applications, and I'm sure you don't need to be told this. You are. Well, employed, but if you have if you well-endowed while employed, you are fully employed. But if you are applying for a job, you can either just kind of submit your resume somewhere or you can tailor your resume to the job. You can write a thoughtful cover letter, OK, and you can to write a thoughtful cover letter. It's important that you do two things one, that you demonstrate how you do all the job, and two that you show the hiring manager that you care enough to personalize that cover letter and done research on the company. Yeah, yeah. So the thing that I think realized startlingly and vividly this past week is just the kind of B.S. that comes along with applying for jobs, right? Because when you're applying for jobs, you have to pretend to be passionate about a company's mission. And for some companies, that's going to be real. Like if I was going to work in a hospital or be a firefighter, I would definitely be passionate about the missions of those organizations because you're passionate about saving lives. I approve of things not on on fire like that is something that I think we should. I will endorse this building not being on fire. Exactly like less things in flames. So that's a goal I can get behind health care. I think it's great. I love it. I will say when I'm applying for a job I had like a construction technology firm. It's real hard to do that. I'm super passionate about bringing, you know, construction technology to more companies that need it. I'm so excited about your B2B enterprise. The reason why I bring this up is because you just I'm picturing you putting on some sort of hard hat while you type this in your word doc. Well, before I got my last job, I had an interview with a Santa Barbara company called Procore. We can just everyone look it up. Procore in Santa Barbara. Hello, Procore. Yes, shut out. They will never sponsor us after this day. There are construction project management software company, and I wrote an impassioned cover letter, you know, perfect appropriate in length, but perhaps inappropriately convicted at our service. And I just said, dear hiring manager, I understand the value of project management technology firsthand, firsthand. What do you mean firsthand? Well, I likened this back to when we had construction issues with our house, which dragged on for a very long time. And I basically said that perhaps if we had had a software like Procore, we could have been saved. The years of heartache that resulted from not being able to, you know, have oversight into the project managers work. I just got chills. Wow. Yeah. Well, it sent tingles down the hiring manager spine to because my potential boss said, When can you start? And I said, I can start now, you know, just wanting to see so incredibly, look, I've got a chip on my shoulder due to some issues that I experienced as a teenager, and I can start immediately. I can start at midnight. I have an ax to grind a vendetta. Thank you, Procore, for this opportunity. Yeah, thank you. Thank you, Procore. So I'll just say coming full circle, it is just not necessarily the most fun thing to have to pretend to be passionate about about a bunch of random company missions. Totally. So that really is the dark part. Well, I think that finding any job, I'd like to encourage you to do one thing and I'd like to encourage you to dig deep, you know, and find those anecdotes that you can relate to a company's mission because I think you've got it within you. I really do. So I think you just need to. It's actually unfortunate. I definitely have it within me. I definitely know I can pull that B.S. Yeah. And it's just the modern indignity we almost suffer. Yep. You know, it's what it is. So anyway, that is that has been my week applying to jobs, shoving my fist up chickens asses, really cutting that one hundred percent of my week, applying to jobs, taking the interns out of chickens. Well, what a time. Well, you and I recently did a little bit of soul searching, and we had a little discovery that we both follow some celebrity couples on Instagram, possibly a little too closely. We definitely do. We just want to come clean to the world about some people that we we just kept a close watch on. We really just want to come clean to the listeners about the couples that we keep tabs on because it's not healthy. And, you know, they'd probably be horrified if they knew how much we stopped them. Well, it is actually kind of embarrassing. It's 100 percent embarrassing. That's top line. This the first couple that we want to discuss is Jeffrey Dean Morgan and Hilary Burton. I want to I want to revisit the conversation you and I had when I said. Lauren, how much do you know about Jeffrey Dean Morgan and Hillary Burton? And you said, What do you think I know about Jeffrey Dean Morgan? The basically, wait, no, this is that. That's not how it went down. You said, do you know who Jeffrey Dean Morgan is? Yes, that's true. That's true. And I said, Do I? Well, I'll let you tell the rest of the tale. And you said, Do I know who Jeffrey Dean Morgan is? So for those who don't know who Jeffrey Dean Morgan is, I'll give you a quick recap. And then Lauren can tell you how she knows all about him. He is on Walking Dead. He was in Grey's Anatomy. He was Denny Duquette. He's a really sexy man. He's a really rugged man. He has a facial hair situation that I'm searching for currently in a partner. Basically, him and Hillary Burton have been together for over 10 years. They live on a farm and they have a farm in upstate New York. I'm sure they have multiple houses where she says she spends most of her time in a her flannel with muck on her boots. Who talks like that? I don't know. I want to talk like that. They have two kids together and they like that. People always said they were married, but they weren't. They recently tied the knot and they're a gorgeous couple, and the love between them is so real. I believe in that. I love. I don't believe in a lot of celebrities loves anymore. I mean, Kristin Cavallari and Jay Cutler today announced their divorce yesterday. And so anyways, I'm just in these dark times. I'm looking to Jeffrey Dean Morgan and Hilary Burton for solace. Oh, they also own a candy shop with Paul Rudd in upstate New York. Like what? OK, so here's my question. First of all, what do you love? Like, what do you love about this couple? Because I didn't really follow them at all until, yeah, until here's I just knew who he was, and so I knew who he was because I too was swept away by his charm and just overall nimble masculinity. You say his nipples dimples temples, which actually can see his nipples, though. And in Grey's Anatomy, if you want to go, look, my taste in guys has was extremely shallow like you could correlate my youth and how shallow I was about men. Those two metrics are positively correlated. Sure. And so Jeffrey Dean Morgan, to me, was not hot. I did not think he was a hot guy. When I watch Grey's Anatomy, which is kind of why? Why? Because he really is a genuinely, oh my gosh. Yeah, I literally like think that. No, I thought he was like, looks like a dad and maybe like wasn't ripped. Those your you are disgusting. Neither of those things, like looking like a dad. Great not being ripped. Even better for me. Wow. Well, I'll pass on the second. But what's so funny is I remember I probably watched Grey's Anatomy at 18 or whatever, not twenty four. I was creating a Pinterest board called Ieso. That's internet terms for in search of. And it was just a picture of hot guys. Guys I thought were hot. And I remember seeing a picture of Jeffrey Dean Morgan on on Pinterest and thinking he is actually really attractive, but he's attractive in a unique way. And I thought I had discovered that Jeffrey Dean Morgan was cute and probably no one else. I understood this. And I like, like, I thought this was my unique discovery and contribution to the world. So yes. Jeffrey Dean Morgan. I was the one to unearth that he was hot. Oh, really? Okay, you're going to claim that. OK. I think so. And yeah, he's on my Pinterest board in search of he's there with Richard Gere with Brad Pitt. Just books on the classics, you know, John F. Kennedy Jr. just some aren't real. Real goodies is I recently saw a theory and somebody posted about it. I can't remember who. Anyways, they said that they're only attracted to men with large noses or less interesting. And I actually feel like it's totally true. I feel like that that with JFK Jr., that's a that's a situation I don't. I see I do not. Even JFK Jr. has a large nose. Really? Yeah, you do. I feel like he had like a little bit of a big nose. Oh, no, no, no. Sorry, I'm I'm getting someone confused. All right. Go get me. OK, come on. I might have gotten. I might have gotten Sean Penn. Oh my gosh, you are seriously wrong. You even know who lives in this world. You know anything is whatever. Podcast Our pop culture. You don't know that everything. Tim McGraw and Dr. Phil A. Singer and Sean Penn. I'm so sorry. Was there Sean Penn, who's like 70 and 80? Well, I do. I know JFK Jr. I know that he's with Carolyn Bessette. I know, I know who he is. I just got their faces swapped in my brain. It's hilarious how that is. When you said JFK Jr. has a big nose. I was like, Oh wow, I never even thought he had a big nose. Like, maybe I'm not Charles, I thought. And then Chan. I just have to tell you, I woke up in the middle of the night last night with a little bit of anxiety. I had half an early bird gummy and I swear to you within 30 minutes, I was peacefully dozing off. Early bird CBD gummies are magic. They're truly magic. They are literally magic. I don't want to travel without them. 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And none of it feels like a Chrissy Teigen like John Legend, like trying too hard, like imperfection. It feels like very real. Like, I feel like the filters are pretty bad that they use, and they just seem to have like a really lovely life and the fact that they like kind of they kept their relationship a secret for, like a really long time. I don't know, as even though I am a pop culture enthusiast, I do kind of appreciate that why sometimes I feel with certain people, I think it is like indicative of the relationship being, like, really strong. Oh, you mean they weren't, they weren't they? It's not like their relationship was a secret from everyone. It was just a secret. They were more private. Yeah. Yeah, they were super private. But I don't know that that's true of everyone, but to me, but it struck me as like, indicative of their love. OK, well, I like that. I like Charles Austin from Nashville. He played Deacon. Oh yeah, he was my major crush. I would say the year I was twenty five, I thought Deacon was so hot out of control. How tall dating Deacon is, though. I think tall. I don't know. Tom strikes me as his five 10 energy. Oh, I mean, you know, Tim McGraw is five 10 I can recall is a inch taller than us. One inch that that shakes me to my core. Do you know how tall Faith Hill is? Five 10 same height. Can you imagine dating someone your same height? I mean, it's Tim McGraw, though, so but like, keep my yes, my deepest romantic crush in my book as a single woman was on Tim McGraw. But I will say, I think if the rubber hit the road and I met him in person, I don't know if I could have handled the same. Oh, come on, you could have handled it. I don't know. Don't fool yourself. You could have handled it when I saw Tim McGraw at the Stadium of Fire. He was one hundred percent. No contest. Five 10. Yes. Yes. Yes. OK, I'm not going to lie just thinking about this. Your honor percent, right? I would not what I find a way I would have fallen down the way the second we met in her life. You're 100 percent right. I remember I bought a front row ticket for myself and went by myself, went alone to a Tim McGraw concert in L.A. Let's never forget that multiple. I remember on my Instagram teasing the day before. So excited. The best day of my life is tomorrow. And then everyone tuned in the next day or all my stories. It was full faith and full Tim. I was front row to their soul, the soul tour teller. Yes, you remember correctly so hot in real life the muscles bursting through that freakin shirt. I don't even know. Can I tell you? Remember the boyfriend? I feel like, is this is this disrespect? I remember those muscles from Stadium of Fire, sister? Was I OK? We need to continue this podcast so we have to move forward. But let's just move forward. Wow. Wow, OK. These are. OK, so what's your state into something like BPR from this week because I don't think we need to fully do a deep dive? No, some quick highlights the psychic situation. We have some disagreement among our friends. I simply felt that it was totally fine of Sheena to do that. Maybe it's because they don't take psychic seriously and don't really believe in them, but I really didn't think it was inappropriate. OK? From my perspective, I also wasn't totally turned off by that sort of offering from Sheena when it did become inappropriate for me is when it appeared that the psychic was waiting outside. Like, I don't also want a psychic sprung on me and knowing how strong Dana's connection was with her mom, I don't think I would want to just, like, have that type of encounter without any sort of preparation or just like, you know, generally being warmed up to the idea. Do you think it was straight up rude, though, the way she responded, rather than just being like, Oh, I don't know if I'm comfortable with that, but I do appreciate where you're coming from. There was none of that, and it was just like, Wow, I can't believe you would think that I would be ready to do this. I will say that when it comes to a deceased family member or obviously something very, very dark. You're just going to kind of lash out and behave badly when you know when things are triggering for you. So maybe that was that. But I think in general, it's kind of rude the way she reacted. I just cringe when someone's rude to someone who's just trying to be nice. Well, also, I think when Sheena started to cry and feel really bad and then Dana dug in and doubled down. It's at that point that I would have been like, I see what you were trying to do, and I appreciate it. I'm just not ready for it, blah blah blah. The only reasonable explanation to me is that it was a filming thing, like she felt like Sheena was capitalizing on a tragedy and trying to have that be a part of the storyline. Yeah, and somehow insert herself into that storyline as well, which isn't honestly that farfetched. OK, so the next major thing that happened was the stars in meltdown at the restaurant, which I was fully mortified for. Both during that was so embarrassing. You refuse to look at me. I mean, the thing about that was both women behaved so badly. Kristin and Stassi just were so embarrassing when Kristin was laying into Beau and saying, like, you're afraid of her. I just thought that was so rude. Yeah, of course he's going to choose like the woman who's about to propose to like over you. I'm sorry, this is the way it is. It's wonderful that you brought them together and set them up, but he's never going to choose you over her. And if it doesn't make her happy for him to be friends with you, he's going to, like, lessen his friendship with you. Get over it. And it's not about being afraid of someone. It's about being respectful. Yeah, and another thing is, Kristen just strikes me as the classic guys girl who loves to be the cool girl who like a tease. Thank you, ma'am, on all of her guy, friends and girlfriends. And I don't know. I just like that really rubbing the wrong way about Stassi, though. I mean, the yelling and public, the yelling in the middle of the party. I mean, her own book signing, can we return to that? It's so bad. It's so loud. It's in such poor taste. And I really like Stassi, but I don't know. Those things always make me kind of cringe. She didn't yell at the book signing when we were there. No, I'm sorry. Book release party. Yeah. When she yelled at Tom, I mean, I think I think it must be just she knows that's part of being a reality star. I don't know. But what's your position on her and Katie abandoning their friendship with Kristen? I mean, I've never honestly been a Christian fan. No, no. But do you think it's warranted? Do I think it's warranted? Yeah, you do. Why do you think that they've done the things that Kristen brings the drama to their friendship? I think that Katie and Stacy have basically always had like a pretty great friendship, and Kristen has always brought the drama. They're kind of older and over it. I also just think they've totally outgrown her. OK, so when I was just watching the show, I thought it was really terrible that they'd basically abandoned her as a friend and I was not a fan of this, and it made me think really negatively about them because it seemed like it was based on nothing. But I've done some research, and the funny thing is I was totally leaving question because I thought you were going. Yeah, I thought you were going to say, like, if I were to say that it's crazy that they've just abandoned her as a friend, seemingly for no reason. So I've done some research. I was in the Stasis podcast. I listen to Lala and Randall's podcast about this whole fight and apparently podcast. Yes, they do. I only listen when they have a guest on that I like, but yes they do. It's I like to apologize for everyone having a podcast. This is insane. I know. So what? What have you gathered? The download, basically is that Kristen didn't really talk about Carter on the show, but she was having so many issues with Carter. And and I don't know if you have a friend like this, but she was extremely emotionally needy over her relationship with Carter, and both Stassi and Katie would spend hours and hours and hours on the phone with her and just go over in her house. And we're just completely emotionally drained by this relationship and basically on and off for years like this went on off camera. And so I think if you listen to any of the Vanderpump people talking to each other or talking on podcasts and interviews, they all talk about how. It's very much known in that cast who is pulling the weight and actually exposing their lives and who is not like Jack's always talks about the fact that he is the one who shows what's going on in his life and Tom and Ariana don't. Jack's will completely show that he's cheated and go through the wringer because he knows that's what that's what makes great television. That's his job. But if you look, Tom and Arianna don't really. Lala is not really showing much of her life this season. Like, there are many of the cast members who kind of just take a backseat and are on a free ride. And so I think that Kristin knew she didn't needed to stay on the show and knew that it was important for her to pull that weight. And so she said to Katie and Stacy, Hey, bring up the Carter thing. I want to talk about it on camera because obviously, like she wanted to bring the drama star, she said they had a conversation. They basically said, Hey, you need to be authentic with your life. We need to show what's really going on. And she said, OK, I want to talk about Carter. I want to talk on my issues on the show. Bring it up. They did. They brought it up on that winery trip, and Kristin completely made them look like beaches like made them look terrible for bringing it up like they were bad friends. And then I guess what? Really, what really pissed off Stassi and what she said basically ended the friendship was she thought that Kristen would at the reunion after seeing the show would come around and realize that she had treated them unfairly and basically made them look like bad friends who bring up her bad relationship. But instead of the reunion, she doubled down on them. And so she just felt like, after all, they felt like after all the emotional support they'd given them. Are they giving Kristen for her to make them look so bad on national television was a total betrayal? It's so interesting when these things are like big. It comes down to like what happens off camera and how it relates to what happens on camera and how you can't explicitly talk about that. But it's, you know, it's really interesting. Yeah, I mean, watching the show, I really don't like Katie. There's nothing that appealing to her to me. I think she gets a bad edit. I struggle with finding like a likability aspect to Katie. Yeah. But when I listen to the interview and saw sources podcast with both of them, I really liked Katie. Her voice had a gentle, melodious tone. And yes, yes. And she talked about like the many times and hours she had spent, like four years trying to help Kristen. And I know that I've had friendships where I've taken on that role of ongoing therapist for someone. And you know, those people who are just they actually never want to change and never want to make a better. Never. It's all about the drama. They love the drama. And that is Kristen and Kristen is like a fully just run on turmoil. I want to amend my statement about not saying the likeability. And Katie, I do actually think that Katie is a really good friend. I feel like she takes really good care of the people that she likes and silicone those ways. Be a great person. Speaking of amending statements, I want to just speak really quickly to the beau thing. I had a few people reach out. I'm not going to call out my name, but two people, maybe three, came after me about it. Good, and I'm going to say I'm actually not afraid of saying what I think and disagreeing with people. But I have changed my tune on Beau. I will listen to a few of Stacy's podcast with Beau. Yes, I have been there. I listened to a few of their podcast and it does appear that he does work, which I was always skeptical of. It does appear that he does work. Yeah. And I mean, I'm very sensitive to women being taken advantage of. I don't like that. And so it does appear that he is contributing to their life together and he is not along for a free ride, which was always my fear with them. And I do think there is something truly special about their chemistry and the way he does let her shine. And I think that they are basically a great match and I. And what's interesting is they were talking about like the fact that he didn't pay for her engagement ring on the show, and they're both saying how great it was because they could use the money for like stuff on the house. And they talked about that on her podcast. And so it was just it was interesting, like it was truly, clearly a partnership and he was contributing. I don't know if I could get past the bad tattoos. I really definitely did not wish that for Sweet Darcy, but I will say I fully fully embrace the boast. As a union. I am now a fan. I would say, Oh my gosh. Bye. Are people going to call me a flip flopper? Am I going to be like Mitt Romney, Mitt Romney? You're literally Mitt Romney. And I'm so happy about this flip flopping thing. So welcome. Yeah, I'm a Boston. Let's move on to Romney. Yes, this was a great, great episode. It was a really full day. We opened up on our dearly beloved ladies still away for the weekend at Ramona's Hamptons abode. The day is marked really by the arrival of men. We start off with our Italian tennis coach, Adriano. Gorgeous. My gosh, he's perfectly bronzed. Adriano looked like a Greek God, and this reminded me of a certain time in my life where I referred to a man in his presence as Adonis, and Adriano was akin to Adonis when Luigi. That was hitting on him, and he just completely like, shut her down. Oh my gosh. Not to. It was deja vu for me because there was one time in sophomore year of high school. I'll never forget this sophomore year of high school drama cla*s. There was a certain Mike Couch situation and as you do in drama classes all like you're sitting in desks reading, you know, you're kind of in groups, you're lounging. Yeah, you're you're a thespians doing whatever. So anyway, it was like the last ten minutes of class and we were all hanging out and I was with this guy. Clayton Connelly, Clayton Conway. Where are you now? I remember having a big crush on Clayton, and I just started kind of like brushing my shoulder against his. We were sitting on the couch together and I was kind of thinking like, we'd start snuggling you on like a public school couch you're discussing. I was so desperate. And the reason why I like that was I thought he looked like Damien Rice. So just goes to show up at my school couch, no less. It was pretty seedy, the whole experience. But the funny part about it is later word got back to me that Clayton told his friends that I was acting weird that day. Apparently, my advances were not reciprocated. And I was so lou-ann on the tennis courts asking, asking Adonis to hang out later. And he's just what did he say? Not today. Maybe another day or something. Was like today. He was like, Maybe not today. Anyways, Adriano was great. We loved him, and the next set of gentlemen that arrived were the dog groomers. They're both really well groomed, really well-groomed men who groomed dogs perfectly spray tan one. The more attractive one for sure appeared to be wearing a Vince deep V-neck circa 2011. Shout out to our mom, who stands with Stan at shows event stan. She's event Stan. I I love to TV. I would say back in 2005. I'm not sure I'm on the B train now that I'm out of high school. Would you would you want your boyfriend to wear a deep V? Can you imagine it's actually so gross? And I used to think that was so hot? No, I guess like a chain and NDP, if you were some light jewelry and a deep V and a pair of seven jeans on, it's just like, take me to places I've never been all. Taylor Swift, please. So basically, we witnessed their dog massage and they give the dogs a massage as part of their grooming package, I suppose. Lujan then asked for a massage herself, and our deep Vince is happy to oblige. So more than happy estafa, really never safe from LaLanne. And today that day was no different. You know, this really brings us to our third, fourth gentleman of the day, which is Jeff. And Jeff was no Italian tennis coach, and he was no perfectly spray tan dog groomer. I don't think you would have mistakenly called him Adonis. No, definitely not. And under no circumstances this night really takes a turn, a turn for the best, I would say. Turn for the best. Yes. Tinsley and Lia get naked and get in the pool. I want to know what temperature was outside. This was plaguing me. The entire episode was like, Is it cold at all or is it like a humid summer night? I wasn't sure. But anyways, Leah, in a fit of courage and bravery, really. She attempts to remove every single tiki torch from Ramona's backyard, yelling, I hate tiki torches. And she has to remind Tinsley that they are there something that white supremacists use in modern day. We OK I we were doing, hey, we were doing a live viewing with our friends that night, so I wasn't necessarily paying attention to the details. So I didn't realize that Leah tried to make those tiki torches, her hatred of them a political stance she was. She took a political stance at night, naked and OK, I'm sorry, but I'm actually going to call B.S. on that because tiki torches are just like a Tommy Bahama like outdoor decoration. They're tacky. They've always been tacky. But recently, in past years, they've been used to like KKK marches and whatnot. Oh, they had say, I didn't know that. So when she was fully drunk, she was saying that she was taking a political stance against the tiki torches. Yeah, she said, I hate what these represent. And then Tinsley said, Well, I don't know what you're talking about and this is it. You don't watch the news enough. Oh, interesting. Okay, that's a lot more sense. Yeah, which is why it's political. But I, yeah, I feel like she was removing them because they were tacky, which they are. Yeah, they are tacky. But I just thought, yeah, she thought they were bad decor. So I thought that was very bad behavior, and I can understand why she doesn't drink. It makes more sense that it's a political stance. But how funny is it that she's barely now been on for two episodes and since she's fully naked and also like ripping apart someone's home, you would think that that's behavior after you've gotten so used to the cameras, you've been doing the show for years. You had you let it one night. You just, you know, got a little too many sheets to the wind. Yeah. This is. Why maybe it's not a great idea to come back after 20 years of being sober, just going to say it. So as the night progresses, everyone gets more and more drunk. Leah is yelling at Tinsley and Sonja to let go of the past and their names. Yes, this is all very good. But you know what? I don't care to see anymore of Alice. I don't give a crap about Alice. Please go away, Lisa. Go away, Alice. It's blondes only no black hair in this house. The debauchery continues with screaming fights. They pass out. There's a bowl, full full bowl of pasta that Lauren pointed out next to Tinsley, which is very interesting. It looks like she took maybe two bites, which is not a classic move. If I had fallen asleep in the same state right beforehand, I would have scarf up entire plate down and gone. Also, it's important to note that Ramona exits her own party at her own home. The host exits the party and goes to another party in SAG Harbor. I mean, we've all been in situations where like, we've got something else better going on. But it happens to Ramona far too often, far too often when she's filming for her job. The fact that she was hosting and she had people staying at her home and she exited to go to another party I'm sure was a dreary white people is really hilarious to me. In the morning she returns and all hell breaks loose because she sees what remains of the tiki torches and her backyard and Leah. This is when I really, truly fell in love with Leah. She makes a move that really showed how smart she was. So while Ramona is traipsing through the house, realizing how messy everything is, Leah decides to just clean the kitchen, make an immaculate. And this showed to me that she either grew up with siblings or among the mob, similar to Ramona. Perhaps like our mom, perhaps like our mother, she realized that her the move was for her to clean the kitchen and make it immaculate so that she could be. She was faultless so that she looked like she had played no part in this. It's less that and more that she was softening the blow because it's like, How mad can you really be at someone total drunk and bad behavior when they're clearly already on the path to making up for it? Yeah, definitely. Definitely. And we've all done that. Yeah, I mean, there are definitely times I remember growing up when I would fully like Clean the kitchen knowing LOL was mad at me and knowing that when she eventually confronted me about the situation, her heart would be softened, her cheek would be turned. Yeah, true. I also just want to say I thought I married the bank line was incredible. Oh yeah, that's iconic, Sonja. That's going in the cannon. So good because it's embarrassing to say drunk at a party. It's awfully mortifying to say, but it is actually really true and hilarious. Like who? I mean, actually as a huge claim to fame. She's like married thug Mr. Chase. Like that is wild to think. Chase Bank is his first name is Chase, and he was just like more casual. Let's just call Chase. I'm sure he seems like a fun loving guy. Sonya may now live in an apartment that belongs to her daughter technically, but she really had had an iconic past. And for those reasons like I'll always really and respect her and scurrilous Elise, please don't appear in episode five. I just want to say once again, get the 10 out of 10 for me. Really excited. OK, so moving on to Beverly Hills Duritz house, we opened on a scene where she's doing a tour. She's like, It's the perfect size for our family. Nine thousand square feet, nine thousand square feet for four people. Really perfect, like perfect size. Hilarious. And then I also loved how the modern farmhouse aesthetic. Like, what about this is a modern farmhouse? Have these people ever even been to a farm and seen an actual farmhouse? A farmhouse house like doilies inside a lot of dark wood and tiki looking furniture? Lots of dust? Modern Lauren. It's modern. I mean, farmhouse is if you've actually been stepped into a house in rural Tennessee or rural Virginia that is not like completely updated like it's in Beverly Hills. These places are not aspirational, I would say. But the thing that's beautiful about a farm is the farm. It's not the farm house. OK, I'm digressing, but. I just want to say that I think that one of the gravest services on this topic that was done to me in my youth was the whole kinfolk aesthetic basically being sold to me as an aesthetic for people who don't care about money. Like the whole like reclaimed wood rosemary suburbs, just sprigs lightly scattered on a table. Like I thought because I liked that look like for some reason I was a person who just wasn't materialistic and you could just live closer to the Earth and closer to nature and didn't need like money to be happy. I actually resent reclaimed wood and the complete false identity it gave me in my mid-twenties. One hundred percent. Did you ever experience that at all, or were you kind of like you were kind of spared like the whole like kinfolk? Yeah. Tumblr. Tumblr thing? Yeah. Yeah, I'm showing my age, my tender age of twenty nine. Okay. Moving on. Okay. Yeah. Picking a jury to talk about their financial woes. I just want to say, do we actually believe that peak was just above broke when he and treatment? I don't think so. There's no way. I mean, like like Hollywood just above broke some mekere, like maybe a hundred grand in the bank. You know what? I bet you he could only have afforded an eight thousand square foot modern farmhouse. That's really what it was, and it was an imperfect science for their family at that time. Looks like it's another theater for Phoenix. How interesting was when the producers asked them about things like the house thing in her name and like, no weird like breath mints scene like that. I feel like they were just so squeamish. Well, I think we're finally getting into what's really going on. I wonder if the producers told them, like, you have to talk about this. Also, I didn't understand when he talked about his job. Somehow, he went from being like something to like building to having a billion dollar business. I don't know. It was very odd. He's like, how he has earned his money. It definitely. It definitely did not seem aboveboard. Yeah. The next scene was interesting was ghazals new house, which was relatively modest. It was very I was a spare thirty two hundred square feet. It was very Tamra Judge, Real Housewives of Orange County season seven. It just looked like, yeah, it looked like a new Ladera Ranch home, you know? Which was interesting and not what I expected. I loved the prosecco with the straws. Oh my gosh, that was about. Well, I wonder if it's lipstick. I'm not. I've no idea was when she said her husband had cheated her, cheated on her for five years. I loved that she wrote that email. I I could not believe that she sent it to his colleagues and friends. I just chef's kiss garcelle. It's just a chef's kiss. Garcelle is definitely one of those things. I think that if you the Emily post and me disapproves, I do think it's a little bit unseemly. And it's just not a good luck. But it's also like at I'm sorry, I like if your husband cheats on you for five years. I'm like, I'm sorry he's not getting off scot free with, like a clean divorce. I think I'm probably looking at this through the lens of like wanting to still stay together. And so it's probably just not because I really send the email. I'm like, It's going up in flames and you're getting burned. So you're taking like the Carrie Underwood, like slashing the tires approach. Yeah. Five years. Yeah, for sure. So moving on from that, we go to the Kyle Sutton dinner. Honestly, all I learned is that Kyle looks stunning. Both candlelight and that meal like so stunning, she is stunning. What do you think about Erin? I mean, I think we can guess. Definitely. I'd like to plead the fifth. OK, Denise, well, what do you think of Aaron? It's like you hate yourself for your reaction, like you hate yourself. I hate myself. I'm not like, I don't feel like a feminist if I like Arabs. You don't feel like a good person. You don't feel like you have good taste. No, it's like the basest hormones and you react the carnal instinct that I enjoy. I can't read myself off no matter the not try the natural man as an enemy to us. And the situation really is. So anyways, we can just move forward, OK? How much were you dying when Teddy was drafting the text? Teddy wasn't wet hair in her Hollywood Hills home, with her assistants drafting the text about the all in retreat. My gosh, I was just cringing as she was talking about it. Like, that is the last thing I would want to love the surf and sand. We've been there many a time together. Have beautiful memories there, for sure, but that is not where I want to be. No. And you know what? I'm sorry, but an invitation that's like, Come for this, come for that when it's like two hours from your house, like it's like you can just like drop by for one session and you have to be an exercise close the whole day. Like, you know, like you're going to be like doing a downward dog, doing a jog camp a little bit on top. Totally Girl's Camp Fire. The only other thing I want to say about this episode was I felt really bad for all of the all of the women who paid thousands of dollars and went to the all in retreat with Teddy and probably like they filmed during it and were excited to meet some of the Housewives. And we're excited to do some cardio and then had to wash this episode and realize how all those women did not want to go. And probably they felt really embarrassed for, like sincerely showing up, and we're all in for that experience and then realizing it was just like chump change to those checks. I do not feel bad for them at all. I'm sorry for having a thousand dollars to go to Teddi Mellencamp because it's accountability. It's like retreat at the circus. And if you're an Orange County mom who does that? I do not feel bad for you at all. You do not have my sympathy. Sorry, ladies, but anything else you want to touch on in Beverly Hills? No, I'm just excited for what's to come. Oh, well, actually, I didn't think that Aaron taking care of Denise was very sweet. I did. And despite his like, you know, pseudoscience, that was ridiculous. Like, Oh oh, I'm sorry. It's a secret that Nasser Aziz's technology, which is total B.S. It's also licensed to me, and I'm going to talk about it while we're filming a show. I'm not supposed to say that, OK, we're not stupid, Aaron. God, yeah. But honestly, that being said, he could still get it. Yeah, that being said, we hope to see more of Aaron in future episodes. I just want to end the episode with some iTunes reviews, with some gratitude. What do you spend on a high? And let's end with a little bit of gratitude, like you said. OK, OK, this is what's amazing. We have two new reviews on iTunes a total of 23 ratings and six. Wow, that's six times people have written in OK, which is honestly shocking to me. That's amazing. You didn't even tell me this. What I'm telling, you know, it's actually shocking to me that we have that there are 20. The 23 people have done this and that we have had six people actually take the time to write something. It's so nice. So I love to just read the new reviews. Yes, because they do mean so much. The first was written on for 24 so roughly three days ago, which is pretty recent. I just can't. I can't believe. I can't believe it anyway. As a 26 year old still on their parents' phone plan, when I heard that this podcast was cancelled a few years ago after the threat of being cut off from a family phone plan, I knew I had to listen. If you're someone who frequently thinks about Alex NIO's, do you know Alexis Meyers? Oh yeah. And you're someone who frequently thinks about Alexis NIO's little brown baby heels. You'll love this podcast. It's like hanging out with your sister. You're in your most fun, best friend, and catching up on all the latest gossip. Great way to keep caught up on the latest pop culture news that also is relevant smart, insightful and analysis, smart insight and analysis on culture as a whole. We bash how nice is that and from so named. I love the killer smiley face. Oh my god. This is no, I don't know who this is, but I like them already because they love Alexis Meyers, and I frequently think about those little brown baby heels. Do you do you love the killers? I do love the killers. I yeah, I I. That's a story for another time. Do you know what he or she is referencing? No, I do not like the Bling Ring or anything like that. I don't know who that is. You know, like that iconic piece of film where the girl is like, Oh, this is Alexis Snyder's calling. And he's calling a reporter about, like how she she reported that she was wearing like a six inch heels or really she was wearing like a little brown BD pumps or something like that. I've never heard of this. Well, sorry, sorry, listeners. More and more and we'll learn because it's an iconic piece of film, Ashley. Anyway, it's so nice of her to write, so nice of her to write that in. And then we had another called Perfect Palooza of Pop Culture by J. Jake Jacob, GQ or GQ. It's just some OK smattering of letters. They say it's like sitting with your friends or in the case of social distancing, wishing you were. If you're not laughing, you're crying from laughing personalities and true pop culture knowledge keeps you on your toes. All this to say you won't regret listening to this podcast. Still waiting on links in the episode notes. Oh my gosh. I know, right? Oh wonderful, man. Who is he? I mean, I can't believe it. That's what's shocking to me that we have reviews from people that we potentially don't know who they are. I don't know who these people are. That is really kind. I'm please reveal yourselves. Please send us a dame. I want to thank you. I'll send you some cookies or I'll send you a cookie recipe. 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